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Comment by eimrine

5 days ago

Rationalism is for people who have the reading skill. If someone prefers short videos, it means that the doors of rationalism is closed for him.

If the ideas are not complex enough to warrant a long explanation, it is a failure of the writer to be unable to produce the same information more succinctly.

Its not about short-form content, its about the unneeded over verbosity being a sign of a failure of communication.

Following Grice's maxims of communication, you can infer that they are either poor communicators or worse trying to hide something.

  • I'm a really slow reader. Had some hilarious conversations with fast readers. They really enjoy fluffy low density content. I ask what is on the page they just read and their first reaction is to look at it again. I describe barely related thoughts I had reading the page, the character of the author from their choice of words, they look at me as if I've done just the thing you aren't suppose to.

  • It takes a few words to communicate an idea; it takes a lot more to defend it. Which one is the blog post in question trying to do?

    • But "a lot more" is not a bounded heuristic. A good communicator would use more words to defend and idea than to present it, but way less than a bad communicator.

      Defending rambling texts on the basis of "ideas take more words to defend them" is defending the incorrect idea that quantity is a quality in itself. Some ideas are self evident, some ideas can be defended in short well laid out arguments.

      Even if a idea is complicated and requires a relatively long explanation. If that is the smallest possible defense, it would still be succinct even if the text is long.

The complaint is about the lack of writing skill:

  Nearly every blog post I have read in this ecosystem, even the rare one that contains some good ideas, is painfully long and extremely tedious.

  • Honestly, Gwern and Scott are both pretty good writers. Dunno about Yud though.

    It’s hard to write a rigorous analysis of something without length. The challenge is keeping it interesting.

  • My controversial thesis was about author's poor reading skill. The dilemma of the rationalist writer is about whether be skipped by wizards or be understandable by maglesses.

    You can take the truthest truth ever like "god does not exist". This statement is rationalist and true and short so the author is supposed to cry with a tears of happiness. But making a wisard to behave like this requires something more thorough to be sent. Maybe the author's post also has a chance to become a rationalist if it would be a little bit... longer?

    • I score way above average on reading skill and I can still tell that many rationalist articles have a word count higher than the subject matter itself requires. If the point of a rationalist article is to exclude people by requiring them to have a willingness to absorb long overly verbose writing then they have succeeded admirably. But that is still bad writing.

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“I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.” - Mark Twain

  • Usually that false quote is attributed to Blaise Pascal, but I have also seen it being attributed to Albert Einstein.

    I am a fan of falsely attributed quotes...

The author didn't say that they wanted a short video. You're constructing a strawman to gleefully knock down. How very "rational".

Rationalism is for people who enjoy jerking off to their supposed superior intellect while reading bad Harry Potter fan fictions.