Comment by nickff
5 days ago
But Europe isn’t really supporting Ukraine, they’re just providing enough supplies to keep them in the fight. No state seems willing to provide enough assistance to allow for Ukrainian victory, because of the costs and risks associated with that aid. Even countries at little risk of reprisal from Russia are reluctant to do much at all.
As such, all of us doing nothing more than “voicing support” on the internet and some far-away rally, should offer our empathy, and not presume to tell them how much we’re “helping”.
> But Europe isn’t really supporting Ukraine, they’re just providing enough supplies to keep them in the fight
What is your definition of "supporting", if "providing support" doesn't count?
Ukraine recieves 80B EUR in aid each year from various international partners. There is plenty of support.
You can learn more from a German, independent, non-profit research institute (Kiel) here: https://www.kielinstitut.de/research/topics/war-against-ukra...
Europe is divided by propaganda and the situation is quite volatile at the moment. Some European countries do support Ukraine more than others..
A lot of European countries (especially those closest to Russia) are doing a fuckton relative to their economies.
The US is the despicable laggard, even when accounting for our distance from the action.
(And especially when accounting for the fact we promised them our protection of their sovereignty)
None of the European countries are doing much relative to their economies. Russia's GDP is about the same as Italy's. The rest of the EU and NATO countries together have an economy that is enormously larger than Russia's. So why do they allow Russia to push them around?
Here are the aid allocations to Ukraine as a share of GDP of the top contributors (all approximate from 2022 through to 2026):
Denmark: 3%
Estonia: 3%
Lithuania: 2.5%
Norway: 2.5%
Latvia: 2%
Sweden: 2%
Finland: 1.5%
...
UK [†]: 0.75%
...
United States [†]: 0.5%
[†]: These countries signed an agreement that they would protect Ukraine's sovereignty.
For context, the US's entire national defense budget is about 3% of our GDP. Or alternatively, Medicare is 3% of our GDP.
This statement is false: "None of the European countries are doing much relative to their economies."
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>No state seems willing to provide enough assistance to allow for Ukrainian victory
Because Putin will never back down, by definition a Ukrainian "victory" would require the fall of Russia. Which would likely require a world war.
Ukraine is provided with tech, weapons intelligence, and all kinds of equipment. You are spewing nonsense.