Comment by raducu

> They've lost around 20% of their territory with no hope of getting it back.

I don't think that's the winning end game for Ukraine, but I also don't see there being a realistic winning end game.

One scenario would be that Russia f..ks of with that 20% taken and calls it a success (though strategically it is an enormous blunder), like they did in Finland and leaves Ukraine alone after that -- but is this realistic to happen?

Or Russia collapses internally and Ukraine does take back all the theritory.

Or the world steps in and secures a lasting peace for Ukraine.

Or Russia realizes Ukraine will outlast it because of external support and realizes how stupid and lose-lose this war is.

Or Ukraine collapses and Russia takes an even larger chunk and installs a puppet regime in Kiev.

But Russia seems unwilling to fuck off and call it quits because it's backed by China and has extended its influence in the USA and EU so it bets it can outlast Ukraine.