Comment by SwellJoe
2 days ago
"Haven't seen anyone get censored on X without a court order yet, but I haven't been there that long. Who knows."
I know. It isn't a mystery or a secret. It is easy for anyone, including you, to know.
https://www.advocate.com/media/alejandra-caraballo-banned-x
https://observer.com/2022/12/elon-musk-suspend-twitter-accou...
https://www.wired.com/story/x-twitter-ban-critics/
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-x-twitter-account-...
It's pretty apparent neo-Nazis were welcomed back after Musk's purchase of the site and they've been paid for their engagement ragebait, while anyone who criticizes Musk or disagrees with his genocidal white nationalist views gets suspended or shadow-banned. Criticizing billionaires won't get you suspended on Mastodon, while hate speech against minorities will. I prefer that kind of moderation.
Thanks for the information. I do think that's pretty fucked up. I'd very much enjoy joining a community that doesn't have any censorship whatsoever, from any side.
I've resigned to the fact people are always going to identify some outgroup to shun. It sucks when you're that outgroup, and the intolerance is not at all limited to literal neonazism. Just being an AI user is enough to turn up the heat these days. So I'd rather nobody have that censorship privilege.
Basically, I don't like it when neonazis get a pass while those calling them out get banned. I don't like it when minorities get a pass either. It's the inconsistency that makes me lose all respect for the community.
>enjoy joining a community that doesn't have any censorship whatsoever, from any side.
HN is absolutely not such a place, unfortunately, the local censorship policy is very strong.
I've been here for 10 years and I think HN is actually a pretty good free speech benchmark. It's true that HN has moderation, but I wouldn't call it "strict". Dang is a very patient moderator. If he banned someone there was probably a good reason for it.
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No one is being banned on Mastodon for talking about using AI. I talk about using AI on Mastodon. You might get blocked by individual users who don't want AI in their feed (it's their feed, they make the rules). You might even get insulted; I haven't been, but I don't post AI-generated content without being intentional about what it is and why AI is being used to generate it. I've experimented with training LoRAs or building harnesses for all sorts of things, and I sometimes post about it, no big deal.
You might also get banned from some instances if you post AI-generated content without clearly labeling it as such; misinformation and disinformation is often something people report, and generative AI is often used for that.
It is misleading to say Mastodon is the same as X just "the other side". The policies on the most popular Mastodon instances can be summed up as "don't be a bigot" (i.e. don't use slurs, don't demean people for who they are...anti-semitism, anti-LGBTQ, racism, religious intolerance, will get you banned).
And, it would be misleading to say that users not wanting to look at what you post is censorship. Mastodon.social or mas.to or any of the other big instances are not going to ban you for talking about AI. But, you might catch some blocks and a few insults from individuals if you post AI in a deceptive or annoying way. You're not owed engagement. But, if you're polite about it, you'll find people who like to talk about the same things. Even including AI.
But, finally, what the hell does this even mean, "I don't like it when minorities get a pass either"? A pass for being a minority? If someone posts abusively, they get blocked, maybe reported and maybe catch a ban. But, simply posting while black is not getting a pass.
> don't use slurs
> don't demean people for who they are
Unless they are acceptable targets of some enemy outgroup.
People already have numerous slurs for AIs and their users, and they aren't shy about using them.
> A pass for being a minority?
A pass for the very same behavior they claim to be against.
I expect people who are offended by slurs not to level any slurs at others.
I expect people who object to racism not to be racist towards others.
I expect people who object to sexism not to be sexist towards others.
I expect people who object to doxxing not to do it to others.
I expect anti-fascists not to display overtly fascist behavior.
And so on, and so forth. Many have failed these simple consistency tests.
> maybe catch a ban
Doubt. It's far more likely that I'm the one who will get banned if I dare to bring any of this up.
I suppose that's the reason people like me end up on X.
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>neo-Nazis were welcomed back...disagrees with his genocidal white nationalist views
What kind of nonsense are you talking about, show me at least one example of statements that can be interpreted in the way that you described? Leftists have gone completely berserk with their conspiracy theories.
Here's your source:
https://nitter.click/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299
And where are the calls for genocide? There is not a single post. Most of the posts are about criticism of the left and that racism against whites is true.
Elon Musk is directly responsible for thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of deaths of black and brown children in the global south via DOGE. He took a chainsaw to aid that would have prevented their deaths, gleefully. It didn't even save money. You either have to believe he is too stupid to understand the result or that he wanted those deaths to happen. I don't believe he is the genius he is given credit for being, but I don't believe he is stupid. DOGE was a calculated ethnic cleansing project. It succeeded. He killed a lot more people than almost anyone else alive today, in pursuit of the goal of white supremacy (or just for the joy of killing, but it seems more likely he did it because he is loudly a white supremacist and genuinely believes in white supremacy, and not merely a sociopath who enjoys getting away with killing people).
He has tweeted many times, spanning many years, in support of ethnic cleansing by a variety of means. He has spent hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone in support of political parties that are implementing violent deportation regimes that include concentration camps and stripping black and brown folks of due process. In the US, his money is supporting people who want to de-naturalize US citizens and deport them. These are the policies of genocide, and he loudly and materially supports them.
He has boosted literal neo-Nazis into his feed that reaches millions. He regularly re-posts disinformation in support of genocidal political parties worldwide. His entire platform promotes neo-Nazis, while suppressing criticism of him and the white nationalist project he has embarked upon.
You can pretend none of that happened, but I'm not going to pretend along with you.
>He has tweeted many times, spanning many years, in support of ethnic cleansing by a variety of means
There is not a single tweet of this kind, it is a lie.
>He has spent hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone in support of political parties that are implementing violent deportation regimes that include concentration camps and stripping black and brown folks
This is also a lie, he spends money to support conservative parties that advocate the expulsion of criminals, murderers, drug dealers and other bad people.
>In the US, his money is supporting people who want to de-naturalize US citizens and deport them. These are the policies of genocide, and he loudly and materially supports them.
It's funny that this is exactly what leftist NPOs and the Democratic party are doing, sponsoring the genocide of whites, the destruction of cultural optimism, and especially harsh attacks on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestants they also sponsor riots (all kinds of organizations like the BLM are a bunch of mobs for riots)
>He regularly re-posts disinformation in support of genocidal political parties worldwide
This is what leftists and leftist NPOs are doing. They constantly publish disinformation through mass media, from which you probably get information and brainwash yourself, attract Muslim terrorists and other bad things to the country.
>You can pretend none of that happened, but I'm not going to pretend along with you.
You are very much brainwashed by the leftists and you are their typical victim, you are their instrument of culture wars that bring them power and money.
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