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Comment by layer8

8 hours ago

80% of global energy consumption is still fossil fuels (oil/coal/gas), however.

Which perfectly proves that 90% of the comments in this thread have no clue about energy and think that running a grid on solar and wind only plus some batteries is a solved problem.

Yes but primary energy isn't a good metric. There's 40-60% loss when converting fossil fuel to final energy being consumed.

  • A lot of energy is used for heating, heating water is more efficient with fossil fuel than with electricity - because for electricity you have transmission loss.

  • That’s fair, but factoring the energy loss in, it still remains the clearly larger share.

    • Does it, though? Assuming 80% of energy use is fossil and fossil has a 50% loss, if all that fossil were to transition to ~100% efficient electricity[0] we'd already be at 33% of our renewable electricity needs. That's quite a bit more than the 20% the "80% fossil" seems to suggest!

      "One-third done" sounds an awful lot like we're going to start seeing optimistic "we'll be halfway there at the end of the decade" headlines soon...

      [0]: Things like the grid and car batteries don't operate at 100% but closer to 95%, but things like heat pumps operate at 300% efficiency, so I reckon that'll more-or-less cancel out for back-of-the-napkin math.

    • Yes we're not done yet, but renewable only started gaining share again around 2010, and how quickly solar/battery is being deployed is really impressive.

That's primary energy, of which about half is wasted as heat. Electrification will bring this down by a lot.

  • Not going to happen in the foreseeable future. Fossil fuels did not change there relative share the past 30 years.