Comment by jmward01
7 hours ago
This model is why OpenAI and Anthropic want regulatory hurdles. We need more diversity like this, not less. A diverse ecosystem is the only long term solution to complex problems that I know of and the challenges that the AI world is presenting is no different.
Their strategy is regulatory capture.
Through fear. Specifically making the American public so scared of AI that they hand over regulatory keys to the only “experts” that can keep them safe. This is a centuries old political strategy used by some of the worst regimes including apartheid South Africa where I grew up. It’s horrifically effective.
I disagree that they’ve invented some “strategy” for this.
1. They, and many other experts, have been saying the same thing since well before the current paradigm existed. 2. There is nothing about regulation that is required to give them an advantage; it’s a fallacy to suggest “regulation = advantage” 3. It would be preferable to argue the facts (is it or is it not dangerous? Why or why not?) than conspire as to why they’re stating what they and plenty of others have been saying for decades
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DeepSeek is simply amazing.
100%
I keep seeing this assertion. What regulations have they proposed that would have prevented this new model? I thought they want to pace the frontier, which this model is not.
You are taking their words literally, rather than looking at the side effects of any effort to "pace the frontier".
Dario has not (and will not) say he wants to ban Chinese models outright. But:
1. He's made many posts about how he thinks "dangerous" models are bad (https://www.anthropic.com/news/position-open-weights-models)
2. He writes posts proving Chinese open weight models are "dangerous" (https://insightsintegration.com/anthropic-warns-of-advanced-...)
3. He talks about about how he wants stronger govt regulation of AI (https://www-cdn.abcnews.com/Business/exclusive-anthropic-ceo...), and explicitly mentions he does not trust China at all and doesn't want them to have Mythos.
Do the math: 1 + 2 + 3 = he wants to regulate/ban the Chinese open weights.
Of course, Anthropic and OpenAI will then write posts about how their own models are dangerous - but that's okay, they're the good guys.
Go read Dario's screed on GLM, or his other one one on how your toaster could be part of a distributed open model that self replicates. Every second blog post is some doom scare about the dire consequences of open models. Go look at the new ToU [0] which are now pages and pages of things you can't do with Anthropic models. Check how they will ban your account if you are persistently mean to Claude now.
He's completely transparently campaigning for regulation. It must be very frustrating to him that the Trump admin is completely non-responsive. He probably thought Anthropic would have the whole market stitched up and water tight by now.
[0] https://www.anthropic.com/legal/aup
Literally zero, but that never stopped a good conspiracy theory, especially when half of HN hates the big labs because of fear for their own economic future.
OpenAI and Anthropic aren’t even slightly worried about DeepSeek.
Having looked at the sentiment around DeepSeek's models around this thread as well as my own experiences with it I'm going to need a little more to back up that assertion about OpenAI and Anthropic not being at least a little bit worried about DeepSeek...
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> I keep seeing this assertion. What regulations have they proposed that would have prevented this new model?
> Literally zero, but that never stopped a good conspiracy theory
Are you living under a rock and never read any of Dario's blog posts?
Let me give you an example, here: https://darioamodei.com/post/policy-on-the-ai-exponential
Section "1. *Regulation* and public safety" (emphasis mine), then under it:
> AI companies that develop advanced AI models must have strong security standards that protect their model weights
You can't "protect model weights" if the weights are openly available, ergo this is an explicit call for regulation to make open weights illegal.
People like open models because they are free/cheap. It's not anything deeper than that. Most people will hop in whatever van is handing out free candy.
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