Comment by solenoid0937
14 hours ago
What an absurd question. We have actual evidence of DeepSeek using stolen credit cards and routing conversations to third parties. What evidence do we have of OpenAI or Anthropic doing something similar?
"Anthropic/OpenAI bad!" cynicism is not a replacement for critical thinking (as it increasingly seems to be on HN).
What evidence? You didn't link any. Searching for the hints in your comments brings up marketing by Anthropic "data you sent to one company is being sent to another without your knowledge or consent!" Anthropic also states this without any evidence, but I'm not suggesting it's not true!
I am so glad we never see stories against Anthropic/OpenAI claiming that! Thankfully we don't even have to search, critical thinking is enough to know that Anthropic/OpenAI are responsible data sovereign and others are not.
Nothing short of unredacted network logs and packet dumps would convince people like you (and even then you could just say they are forged). In the eyes of HN the Chinese model providers can do no wrong.
Anyways, they can easily be sued by DeepSeek if they are lying.
> critical thinking is enough to know that Anthropic/OpenAI are responsible data sovereign and others are not
Critical thinking is not relying on a confirmed bad actor because you think the others maybe could be bad actors.
You still haven't posted a single link. Should we all just take your word for it? Are you the primary source, solenoid0937?
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It's just as much a marketing blog post, but I'm not entirely unconvinced, just unsurprised. AI companies fundamentally all want the same thing: unrestricted access to everyone's data. I'm not planning on relying on any of them if I can help it.
For others, here's your blog post:
https://www.anthropic.com/threat-intelligence-report-septemb...
Is there any evidence though? Of the stolen credit cards being used by deepseek? You said there was “actual evidence”, what is it?
> We have actual evidence of DeepSeek using stolen credit cards
Do we? Anthropic made allegations, but have they substantiated them?
What level of evidence would convince you? Raw packet dumps?
DeepSeek could sue for defamation if they are lying. There's a reason they aren't.
Well, any evidence would be better than nothing. All I saw was a blog post with some conclusory statements, but I didn't dig into this. (It wasn't a rhetorical question.)
Anthropic could probably use the same institution to call for justice, no?
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I'm not sure makes sense to white knight for openAI and Anthropic. There are no good guys here.
This is a very Redditor comment, you're equivocating "don't use bad API" with a defense of OpenAI/Anthropic.
There is a difference between "white-knighting" and pointing out that maybe businesses shouldn't use an API that has been proven to illegally route data elsewhere, resulting in literal state secrets being leaked.
There is nothing wrong with using DeepSeek's models locally or on your own cloud, and using another search provider! But using DeepSeek's own APIs is pure idiocy unless you really don't care about your data security/privacy (and that of your users).
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