Comment by dathanb82
9 hours ago
Pretty sure it’s the other way around: Kotlin was implemented on the JVM and that’s its primary target, and got a native implementation later for folks that don’t want to run a JVM.
9 hours ago
Pretty sure it’s the other way around: Kotlin was implemented on the JVM and that’s its primary target, and got a native implementation later for folks that don’t want to run a JVM.
Is that relevant? Kotlin fully exists without the JVM, as requested.
Sort of? The kotlin standard library yes, but it’s pretty rare to write an app with only the standard library. It feels like you’re dismissing the Java interop as a secondary benefit, but for most uses of Kotlin it’s probably more important to project success than the language itself. So I think it’s accurate that without the JVM Kotlin would be essentially dead.
> dismissing the Java interop as a secondary benefit
I mean, I don't really care about any of that. I was just responding to the (likely unserious) technical critique that there is no Kotlin VM. As for whether Kotlin as a language would be popular without the JVM, that's a different question.
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A subset of Kotlin has a native backend, not good enough to power JetBrains products, which still require Java Virtual Machine.
It is so good, that JetBrains themselves rather use Rust or C++ for native code libraries on their IDEs, and not officially supported on the Android NDK.
So the goal post is JetBrains has to rewrite their stack in Kotlin native for Kotlin to not need the JVM?
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