Comment by ragequittah
6 hours ago
Do we not see a path forward where the humans are further informed, don't need to do so much heavy grunt work, and thus can think on deeper questions? I really don't see the final outcome being knowledge work for humans completely disappearing. In fact having something that potentially can do it better and faster will make keeping up with that knowledge all the more fascinating won't it? This whole conversation feels like what someone with an abacus would say when they saw the first digital pocket calculator.
I agree with you. If we ever want to invent warp drive, a machine that lets us do it much faster ought to be a god send. If there are scientific solutions to our biggest problems, this should be a blessing.
But the risk is of course that the benefits will not be distributed but concentrated to the elite.
That's just fantasy.
> [...] scientific solutions to our biggest problems [...]
> [...] benefits will not be distributed but concentrated to the elite.
That's the part that's being called out as a fantasy.
Which part, the warp drives, ya probably. But other tech advances beyond the human mind? Why would that be?
What is?
Sure, I do not believe warp drive is possible, but it was of course just an example.
> something that potentially can do it better and faster will make keeping up with that knowledge all the more fascinating won't it?
Yes, but it won’t be work anymore, in the sense that you won’t get paid for it, if machines can do the knowledge work just as well or better. We aren’t there yet, of course, but this future seems quite possible and might not be that far off (possibly within our lifetime). So you could explore deep questions (that machines can explore much faster and more thoroughly) as a leisure activity, like sightseeing on vacation.
> like sightseeing on vacation.
Or like musing while you are plowing your field by hand wondering how many of your kids will survive the coming winter.
What makes you think that humans will be able to keep up with all that knowledge in the future?
Do we see a society where the market will value humans over AI without, like, any specific thing impelling the market to do that?
I mean, a combination of political and economic factors from 1930s to 1960s forced the wealthy to return a portion of the returns of automation to the remaining working people. Then from the late 70's till now, those in power have clawed back all those gains.
Of course, any further gains from automation will go to the very wealthy unless things change.
> I mean, a combination of political and economic factors from 1930s to 1960s forced the wealthy to return a portion of the returns of automation to the remaining working people.
The credible threat of communist revolutions put the fear of god into the capitalist elites. So they had to share a larger share of wealth with workers, beyond mere subsistence wages, to keep them peaceful. With the downfall of USSR, communist revolutions stopped being a credible threat, and elites clawed back productivity gains, pushing workers toward subsistence wages again.