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Comment by mmaunder

15 hours ago

Interesting that the DHS "Exclusion and Removal Order #2026-01" that was made public yesterday was actually released July 24th, 2026 and appears to have taken effect then. Agencies would have started pulling deepseek at that time. Which means it's likely DS became aware of the memo around then.

The release of this repo hours after the DHS order is a tactical move they started preparing when the DHS order was issued almost 3 months ago, and they timed publishing the repo right as the order hit the federal register.

DHS: "China bad and scary. Don't send them data."

DS: "You don't have to. Happy xmass kids."

> The release of this repo hours after the DHS order is a tactical move they started preparing when the DHS order was issued almost 3 months ago, and they timed publishing the repo right as the order hit the federal register.

What does DS achieve with this "tactical move"? Or, are you saying this is a tactical move from a higher level (Chinese gov interests)?

  • “ Or, are you saying this is a tactical move from a higher level (Chinese gov interests)?”

    What country produces all of the ASICs used in contemporary bitcoin mining?

    The faster we get to a good enough open model, the sooner it gets burned to hardware, and the sooner the transition to (relatively) low tech, low margin, high volume cards to run it on …

    … and those are built in China.

    • Maybe they are assembled in China?

      You're not going to make money buying a new 14nm bitcoin miner, and that is where the China foundries are for cost effective silicon. They're great at 28nm+ and good at 22nm pricing.

      Most new design modern sub 7nm ASICs are made in Taiwan/Korea by TSMC and SLSI. That is where miners are profitable.

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    • That’s part of the equation but there’s almost certainly interest in the open models guiding information trends for the interests of the Chinese government as well. So not only to help their economy in a variety of ways, but to help undermine the US AI efforts in the process and put them finger on the scale of what models ultimately do output.

    • oh I love the thought that there is a future where I get my models burned in hardware same as I used to get games in cartridges

  • US wants to ban non us models from as many places as possible. This move enables them to get users in more places.

    • Cheap inference from foreign countries is bad.

      Cheap labor from foreign countries is good.

      Can anyone explain how this is not hypocrisy?

Except this is also banned under the DHS order. The order bans "information technology products and services developed by Hangzhou DeepSeek Artificial Intelligence Co., Ltd", and more pressingly, "third-party products and services developed using DeepSeek implementations".

  • I noticed that. Vendors will have to certify that neither they nor their upstream suppliers use anything made with Deepseek, even if it's provably innocuous ('Deepseek write 'Hello World' and 5 implementations of fizzbuzz'). So basically this is the government leveraging its monopsony power rather than a real safety requirement. They'll probably do the same for Qwen, MM, GLM etc.

    This is potentially quite effective at corporate levels but I don't see it being effective over the long term because there are too many small-medium users that don't need to care about supply chain certification.

  • This is also the word inside Defense sector contractors as well. No PRC origin anything - no code, OSS or no, no open weight models, no assistance from them.

    No regs set in stone yet, but DoD doesn't need regs - they can tell you what the rule is and that's that.

  • Not sure why you're being downvoted. It's very clear to me in the order that even the open weights would be forbidden, even served through vllm or sglang etc.

Next would be just saying no Chinese inference engines.

Probably wouldn't have been many agencies using DS to begin with anyways.