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Comment by holgerschurig

14 hours ago

> If you want a government job, you need to be member of the party

Do you know this? Or do you assume this?

I actually don't know. However, being from (west) Germany and old enough I know how a real socialist state, the east german GDR, handled it. And keep in mind that they were way more stalinistic than China is.

In the GDR you could have government jobs without being in the SED. In November 1989 they had 2.1 million members. Since the GDR had a population of 16.4 million, a whopping 12.8%. That a higher percentage than in China. And yet they had numerous even higher officials that weren't in the SED. Example "Hauptbuchhalter" in the combinats (some kind of main bookkeeper --- but keep in mind that their job was to follow the planned economy goals, not booking activa and passive). Or members of the central bank. Or lots of teachers (which in both Germanys are traditional official clerks ("Beamte").

They however couldn't be in (open) opposition to the system. There was "the sword of the party", the SED. And they had informants everywhere. So if you showed any sign of opposition, you were removed.

So you needed to be a "yes sayer", but being "SED party member" was not mandatory.

In China one can enter civil service without party membership. Because membership in the party is strictly quota-ed to prevent overgrowth. The quota for college students is very limited. But I assume any leadership position will require joining the party after becoming civil servant / government job.