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Comment by password54321

10 hours ago

The sort of slop they tell children. Adult world is far more complicated than that.

Hard isn’t inherently complicated and simple isn’t inherently easy. A commitment to those ideals is wildly complicated. To pick a child-rearing-relevant example, saying sorry and taking responsibility is simple and easy, but such a difficult thing to achieve, even for adults, and is rife with complicated and complicating emotions and relationships.

The adult world doesn't have to be far more complicated than that.

  • >good person >good citizen >make the world better

    Could essentially be saying, obey and work. A lot of people won't agree that is the ideal life. If that's not how you interpreted it then you have my point.

    • In free countries, being a good citizen also means criticizing your government when you see it making mistakes.

      Dissent can be patriotic.

The dissonance is deafening. Especially since the most successful people in our society are not doing any of those 3 things.

  • In fact, most extremely successful people are doing the opposite of those three things and directly deriving their success from it.

    If I could stomach being an "Optimal Machiavellian Dad" I would tell my kid:

    1. Use people to get what you want.

    2. Always take more than you give.

    3. You're the only one who matters. Don't empathize with others.

    That's the mentality that is consistently rewarded in society today.

    • That was my mom's strategy seemingly, and it didn't create anything near her intent; it just taught me a lot about her.

      kids are smarter than people realize, and they don't glean the things that people intend.

    • > That's the mentality that is consistently rewarded in society today.

      It's not a new thing either. The more history I learn, the more it's clear that these things have always been rewarded. It's also just a higher risk way to live, because if you piss off the other sociopaths they will slap you down.

    • Don't forget 4. - There's always love for papa.

      Otherwise you get an evil billionaire child, but they don't even have the nerve to shower riches on you in your old age.

  • It entirely depends what success means to you! Don't let society or even your perception of society define that.

    In all fairness, I know that you meant "wealthy and/or influential people". But it bodes ill at every level that your tacit belief about success is widely known and widely accepted (though certainly not universally).

    Postman's book is exactly against that definition of success, though he readily points it out. He describes it in the "Gods that Fail" section of the book.

  • That you believe those people with all the money are "successful" is actually the entire problem.

    Yeah, I'm not stupid rich, but the evidence is that I'm far better put together than Elon Musk emotionally, and even happier in regular day to day life. Which is hilarious because I just had my entire life upended.

    But I've never felt a compulsion to pretend to be good at a video game to impress strangers on the internet because I have responded to difficulties and personal failings by bettering myself. I embrace recognizing my faults, fixing them, and knowing that I am human.

    Do you want a child like me or a child like musk?