This is hugely relevant in India because Musk is trying to force his way into the Indian market [1]. You don't want Musk owning critical infrastructure in any country.
It’s also no mistake that a certain ”flying” car was shown recently, it’s like jangling shiny keys in front of people and the general public, including HN, ate it wholesale.
Try jingling your keys too often, and your cat will start acting with disdain rather than excitement.
Ever more of us have reached that point with Musk, and he'll soon be reduced to dancing a jig with his underpants on his head in a desperate attempt to forestall yawns from his audience.
What happens at that point? Will he calm down and start acting a bit more sensibly, or will he react against the ingrates? Will he want to send us all away to, er, live on a farm?
You can have all the laws you want but if you don't enforce them they might as well not exist. And then there is the abuse of power. I'm not under the illusion that any of these people will ever answer for their deeds. But the world is watching and learning.
That won't happen with this administration. It's backing out of sanctions on Russia, and starting to slow down (working towards eliminating, it appears) support for Ukraine.
I wished I was religious so I could pray for a house+senate victory in two weeks time. This charade has gone on far too long, the United States is much too important a player on the international stage to be run by characters of this caliber.
From another comment of mine on a HN Musk submission today
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Musk has earned the vitriol, largely due to his political stunts. When the world's richest person starts dumping his money into elections and interfering in politics across the globe, why are we surprised people are angry and critical? When he takes a golden chainsaw to USAID, how many preventable deaths are directly attributable to these changes? How is it fair that an unelected, private citizen can contribute so much money to one person's political campaign, and then receive carte blanche to change our public services as a reward? How is it that this same person can unilaterally change how our military assets are used by an ally?
Something is deeply wrong with this. This is the heart of people's anger.
It only gets flagged when it reaches the homepage. Elon has godlike status amongst some HN'ers so it is kind of predictable that whatever criticizes Elon will get flagged.
I feel like there's been a shift. Elon used to have god like status, but as he spent that social capital on objectionable behavior, it seems the shift has been towards a general dismissal and disdain for people who dislike Elon, which gets conflated into a similar thought terminating argument like "Trump derangement syndrome"
Musk gave the order. The debate is to what extent, if any, this was coordinated with or directed from the WH. But it either started with Musk, passed through Musk from the WH, or was decided in the WH with Musk involved in the discussion. Regardless, he's the one who actually gave the order since this is not a "the buck stops here" kind of administration.
They're swapping the hot potato so fast you could probably get some good energy out of that. Someone is going to get into a lot of trouble over that, the image of people dying on video within 24 hours of drone strikes that could have been prevented is a lot easier to relate to than a school with 130 girls in it (though that was at least if not more reprehensible, and they can throw Hegseth under the bus when it comes to it). This one is on them and they know it.
Elon Musk is a national security threat to free Europe.
I don’t for a second believe anyone in leadership will make the necessary hard choices, e.g. tariffs or even bans on purchasing or financing Tesla and Starlink. And Musk knows this. He wouldn’t dare pull this sort of nonsense with anyone in China’s sphere of influence.
Is this saying that Musk ordered by himself a restriction in the service of Starshield, a US defense infrastructure? Is it just me or this doesn't make any sense?
the reporting doesn't indicate he did this "on his own"; but rather it appears it was initiated by the WH. Musk of course giving the order since the WH wasn't going to call up the Starlink engineers directly
This is hugely relevant in India because Musk is trying to force his way into the Indian market [1]. You don't want Musk owning critical infrastructure in any country.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/14/business/india-elon-musk-...
It’s also no mistake that a certain ”flying” car was shown recently, it’s like jangling shiny keys in front of people and the general public, including HN, ate it wholesale.
Try jingling your keys too often, and your cat will start acting with disdain rather than excitement.
Ever more of us have reached that point with Musk, and he'll soon be reduced to dancing a jig with his underpants on his head in a desperate attempt to forestall yawns from his audience.
What happens at that point? Will he calm down and start acting a bit more sensibly, or will he react against the ingrates? Will he want to send us all away to, er, live on a farm?
Seems like humanoid robots are passé now.
I wonder in what other country a private individual would be given the power over foreign policy to this extent.
I think the USA has laws against private citizens involving themselves in foreign policy
Edit: The Logan Act
You can have all the laws you want but if you don't enforce them they might as well not exist. And then there is the abuse of power. I'm not under the illusion that any of these people will ever answer for their deeds. But the world is watching and learning.
This is easy: issue crippling fines and criminal penalties, nationalize SpaceX and allow Ukraine to go on using it.
That won't happen with this administration. It's backing out of sanctions on Russia, and starting to slow down (working towards eliminating, it appears) support for Ukraine.
I wished I was religious so I could pray for a house+senate victory in two weeks time. This charade has gone on far too long, the United States is much too important a player on the international stage to be run by characters of this caliber.
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From another comment of mine on a HN Musk submission today
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Musk has earned the vitriol, largely due to his political stunts. When the world's richest person starts dumping his money into elections and interfering in politics across the globe, why are we surprised people are angry and critical? When he takes a golden chainsaw to USAID, how many preventable deaths are directly attributable to these changes? How is it fair that an unelected, private citizen can contribute so much money to one person's political campaign, and then receive carte blanche to change our public services as a reward? How is it that this same person can unilaterally change how our military assets are used by an ally?
Something is deeply wrong with this. This is the heart of people's anger.
So, Starlink is a national security risk. Worth noting.
Be glad you saw this thread before it is inevitably flagged from the site, despite clearly being relevant.
Funny how this is barely visible while the roadster that will never see the light of day has >2000 comments.
Crazy how the pieces have fallen.
It only gets flagged when it reaches the homepage. Elon has godlike status amongst some HN'ers so it is kind of predictable that whatever criticizes Elon will get flagged.
Flagging downranks the entry so it disappears quickly off the homepage. As indeed happened in this case.
There have also been 94 Musk stories submitted over the last week so sometimes it's a bit excessive.
I feel like there's been a shift. Elon used to have god like status, but as he spent that social capital on objectionable behavior, it seems the shift has been towards a general dismissal and disdain for people who dislike Elon, which gets conflated into a similar thought terminating argument like "Trump derangement syndrome"
I was unable to access this post without logging in. I kept receiving a page whose only text was “sorry.”
That happens, it's a bug in HN. The title will show but the page comes up blank with 'Sorry.'.
Note to anyone considering buying defense product from Musk's companies: your security may be shut off at Elon Musk's whim.
Yeah if you're a share holder you shouldn't be in any doubt that business is probably dead, if not straight away then in the medium term.
No archive link? ;-;
https://archive.ph/Z9nN8
So which reporting do I believe:
I guess we just have to blame them all
Musk gave the order. The debate is to what extent, if any, this was coordinated with or directed from the WH. But it either started with Musk, passed through Musk from the WH, or was decided in the WH with Musk involved in the discussion. Regardless, he's the one who actually gave the order since this is not a "the buck stops here" kind of administration.
They're swapping the hot potato so fast you could probably get some good energy out of that. Someone is going to get into a lot of trouble over that, the image of people dying on video within 24 hours of drone strikes that could have been prevented is a lot easier to relate to than a school with 130 girls in it (though that was at least if not more reprehensible, and they can throw Hegseth under the bus when it comes to it). This one is on them and they know it.
translation: Current US admin is a fascist regime.
Oh right it is all just /so/ confusing lets all just give up /s
When will Elon be held accountable?
Within a decade. Starlink had little competition, and the world had little reason to build one - it's a good service and the price isn't bad.
Now Russia, China, Japan and the EU are all building competitors. Most of SpaceX's revenue comes from Starlink launches.
probably never, but if he ever spends a day in jail because of this I'll be happy to eat a soft head covering of your choosing[1].
[1] conditions (condiments) may apply.
Elon Musk is a national security threat to free Europe.
I don’t for a second believe anyone in leadership will make the necessary hard choices, e.g. tariffs or even bans on purchasing or financing Tesla and Starlink. And Musk knows this. He wouldn’t dare pull this sort of nonsense with anyone in China’s sphere of influence.
Is this saying that Musk ordered by himself a restriction in the service of Starshield, a US defense infrastructure? Is it just me or this doesn't make any sense?
> by himself
the reporting doesn't indicate he did this "on his own"; but rather it appears it was initiated by the WH. Musk of course giving the order since the WH wasn't going to call up the Starlink engineers directly
> Is this saying that Musk ordered by himself a restriction in the service of Starshield
No, the title and article are about Starlink, Starshield isn't even mentioned.
No, it is not, this is the first line of the article:
"ordered the slowdown of a military-grade version of Starlink relied on by Ukraine"
The 'military-grade version of Starlink' = StarShield, the reason they refer to Starlink is because that's what the public knows.
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archive https://archive.ph/Z9nN8
There has been a lot of people not wanting to admit responsibility. I don't think Musk would have ordered the slowdown without asking Trump.
I mostly blame Trump for the current mess and betrayal. Musk is just sucking up to the boss.
https://www.reuters.com/world/rubio-says-witkoff-zelenskiy-m...
Musk adds Ukrainian blood to his already sopping-wet hands.
I watched a video of a group of mothers and kids in a playground when a Russian drone arrived. One of the kids was a 1 year old in a stroller.
Elon Musk has a lot to answer for.
This is what happens when you mix ketamine with grok and too much money.
Yes. There should be a law against it....