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Comment by DrawTR

7 hours ago

Jeez, what a rough past 24 hours for all security folk. Hang in there

It's going to be a rough decade.

  • I really don't know how we are going to deal with accelerated exploit generation via LLMs — it blows up the disclosure processes we've evolved.

    The only thing I can think of is hunkering down with static HTML to reduce attack surface, but that's laughably incompatible with many many business requirements.

    • In new software I write these days I limit the number of external dependencies and mostly vibe code anything I need besides the most critical foundational libraries (increasingly I am replacing these as well).

      I think this, the supply chain attacks and binary reverse engineering will cause us to go back to thin clients, html over the wire and vibe coded libs instead of external open source deps.

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    • I think it will kill open source to some degree. I found it already very hard to imagine how the endless queues of issues were being dealt with so diligently, but at least there was a human on the other side. The torrent that is unleashed now is not manageable on a human scale. It's a highly automated arms race with a bunch of good-willing humans caught in the crossfire between large companies and criminals duking it out.

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    • Business requirements will have to change. All your competitors are under the same pressure with the same shitty set of options, after all.

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  • Yeah, the future of our jobs in this industry... for the type of work we do. are concerning. Explosure has whole new meaning

  • It feels like the only solution is going to be proactively running your own AI agents looking for patches and applying them.

    • Does any one know of good feeds that we should be pulling or scraping from? I think the proactive nature here is seriously important.

    • The issue is where to direct the LLM's attention.

      Prompting the LLM to "look for vulnerabilities in PHP's multipart upload handling code" is going to find stuff that "look for vulnerabilities in PHP" won't.

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    • Yes, so who will pay for that? Open source so far meant you would use your brains and your creativity, now you need to use your money too if you want to keep pace. From a 'guts, credits & glory' proposition to 'slop processor if you can afford it' is not really an upgrade.

    • Or, you know, use client certificates so the bots can’t hit you.

      Those can leak / be stolen of course, but a bunch of my clients php apis survived as without a cert they’re told to fuck right off.

      It does make their client onboarding a bit harder but it’s a trade off which seems to have been the right one.

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I'm already tired, between pushing back on vibe coded internal projects being put onto the internet and then the constant barrage of CVEs that mean nothing.

Then you have real security incidents that you need to tune into constantly.