Comment by triceratops
16 days ago
There's an argument that making people pay a fare improves cleanliness and security to an extent. I don't know if there are studies about it. But it's a persuasive argument.
16 days ago
There's an argument that making people pay a fare improves cleanliness and security to an extent. I don't know if there are studies about it. But it's a persuasive argument.
I don’t find this claim persuasive in the least. I could just as easily assert without evidence that fees reduce cleanliness because patrons feel they’ve prepaid for their messes to be cleaned up, and security because resources that could be applied to safety and reducing crimes against patrons are used to enforce fare collection and secure methods of payment instead.
For a first order argument, yes, because people won't use free very often.
But if the collected fares are paying for enhanced police brutality or other deleterious second-order system behavior, it's not so cut and dry.
> But it's a persuasive argument.
Persuasive to what type of people?
Even to a lefty liberal like me. But I'm open to data that, actually, it'll turn out fine.
What doesn't work is laws that aren't enforced. Either enforce them or repeal them.
> Even to a lefty liberal like me. But I'm open to data that, actually, it'll turn out fine.
So conclusion before evidence?
At least the founders had the foresight to codify innocent-until-proven-guilty.
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People who understand budget constraints. Economics applies even outside of capitalism and democratic states.
At that point just make separate no fee, low fee, and high fee train cars with varying levels of poor people and/or cleanliness.
The class system… such a classic!
You kid, and it would be kinda horrible in certain ways, but I genuinely think it would increase ridership significantly.
Let's face it, classism right now manifests as:
* poor folk use terrible public transit
* med income folk drive cars
* high income/wealth folk get driven around by robots or staff
At least with the classist train you cut down on emissions and public funds spent fixing roads. And I'd argue it's a bit less unequal than the status quo in 95% of the US.
Do you not take flights to travel between cities because they are classist?
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A fellow aficionado of German trains, I see.
Ah yes, a caste system on tracks. That will surely work
Surely you're aware airplanes and cruise ships have different ticket classes and no one considers it a caste system.
Your comment might be deeply offensive to people who have suffered in actual caste systems.
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