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Comment by minimaxir

15 hours ago

Artificial Analysis index results are up, since multiple people are asking: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/kimi-k3-1-pro

It's 55, at 4th overall, beating both GPT-6 Astra and Fable 5.1. It's also faster than both.

> When evaluating the Intelligence Index, it generated 150M tokens, which is very verbose in comparison to the median of 87M.

> When evaluating the Intelligence Index, it generated 150M tokens, which is very verbose in comparison to the median of 87M.

This is 100M fewer than Opus 5.5, 40M fewer than Fable 5.1, and about a third of Sonnet 5.5. In the top-6, it's 3rd, beaten by Muse Wonder at 140M and Astra at, impressively, just 60M.

  • That's versus Opus 5.5 max effort, no? Opus high has the closest cost and intelligence characteristics and generates far fewer output tokens per task than the one Kimi 3.1 Pro effort level we have data for.

    • Yes, max effort is what the displayed-by-default score on the index is measured by. At xhigh, Opus 5.5 outputs 100M tokens, but remains only 1 point ahead of K3.1 rather than 5. And Sonnet at xhigh outputs 110M tokens and trails K3.1 by 3 points rather than leading by 3, at the same price point per mtok.

      Opus 5.5 high trails K3.1 by 1 point, but outputs only 53M tokens, so it indeed comes out cheaper per-task. I think it's still remarkable that this is effectively an open model that matches the frontier for the first time in a long time, pretty much since DeepSeek R1.

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    • I think that this is Kimi K3.1 Pro on max too. Unfortunately, AA doesn't seem to test for other effort levels for models not from Anthropic/OpenAI.

From that link:

> reasonably priced when comparing to other models of similar price

???

  • It's saying that you'll do more work for the same $, but that's not anybody's experience with Kimi really.

    • It's true if you pay API prices overall, it's just that the OpenAI/Anthropic subscriptions provide way better value than their respective APIs, and that isn't true with the Kimi sub.

I don't trust these Artificial Analysis indexes and I'm not sure why anyone considers them authoritative, the site just sprung up a few months ago and now everyone quotes it?

From my own use of the models I find their ranking to be totally inaccurate.

  • They are the only site that really combines all benchmarks into a single place. And their intelligence index is pretty broad, including knowledge work and finance tasks as well as coding, so if your use case is narrow it may not match the general benchmarks

  • Do you have an alternative? Its a benchmark collection. When a benchmark gets saturated, they remove it from the index and add new ones.

    I think lm-arena is a better concept that reflects the actual target users, but it only captures chat, and relies on users spending their time improving it.

  • It's appealing to me because it's not just one benchmark but a summary of a collection of benchmarks. Also the current rankings have Opus on top by far and everyone's experience is that Opus is best by far so it's not massively inaccurate

  • > From my own use of the models I find their ranking to be totally inaccurate.

    It's fine if you don't trust them. You are free to put together your own benchmarks, run your own tests across models, and objectively compare results.

    That's how you gathered your data to support your claim other benchmarks are totally inaccurate, right? Right?

while this is an awesome model, I have a bridge to sell to folks who think (based on AA leaderboard) that this is better than Opus 5.5

> When evaluating the Intelligence Index, it generated 150M tokens, which is very verbose in comparison to the median of 87M.

So their base price is 1/5th of Opus 5.5 per token, but if you want "highspeed" it's 2x that and then I guess it generates 2x the number of tokens as well?

That might suggest that Opus is competitively priced after all.

  • In an agentic pipeline, the output text is 2-5% of the total tokens used, so verbosity is a nonissue costwise. Although, higher verbosity could cause input to balloon faster and potentially cost more, but that would be captured by the cost-per-task metric.

    But as noted by other replies, it's still lower than Opus/Sonnet.