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Comment by throw0101c

19 hours ago

> You need some combination of high-ridership and low-personnel-cost.

Driverless (GoA3) and completely unattended (GoA4) rail operation is possible, which could help with personnel costs:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_train_operation

Software licensing is far more expensive than humans.

In sydney they built a building which cost $100M to be filled with software engineers just to watch and monitor one and now two driver less trains.

Guess which cost more, the building and 100s of software technies and managers or a few dozen drivers ?

People conservative enough to drop the required nuclear bomb on the transit workers union to be able to deploy something like this won't pay for it, and vice versea.

  • There are already driverless systems deployed in Canada and Europe where the transit service is probably unionized:

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_driverless_train_syste...

    Existing drivers could be moved to customer service roles on the trains (driver+conductor on 1 train -> one coductor on 2 trains), or moved to non-autoamtable roles (buses, trams).

    • True, but if you read the comment as U.S. specific, it makes perfect sense. The Democrats in the U.S. are very beholden to the unions and refuse to do anything that harms the union even if it would help the vast majority of people much more. Meanwhile, the Republicans hate transit and while they hate unions too, they hate transit even more and so they're going to not do anything that would help transit. If you're a transit advocate, you have neither party that was actually going to serve you. One party actively hates you and the other party gives lip service but they like other things more and will do things that are harmful to transit because they help the other things they like.

      I don't know how to solve this problem, but making people aware of it is a good first step. It helps people who are in favor of transit yell at all politicians who are not helping them. Blind party allegiance is never a good thing.

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