Comment by mpyne
17 hours ago
It's sort of weird in a world that has moved to an DevOps-style ethos for most development.
But yes, before that it would be not at all unusual to have “test engineers” or other technical staff whose entire responsibility laid with setting up test environments and running QA of products. These people did not do product dev, though they may have been involved in writing supporting test platform libraries or even maintaining test infrastructure (like IBM Jazz).
Even today in the U.S. companies that haven’t fully jumped onto newer development practices probably still have QA and/or test departments.
>It's sort of weird in a world that has moved to an DevOps-style ethos for most development.
The world at large makes all sorts of trends, and that by itself doesn't make them smart. As a developer, you are likely to have blind spots when it comes to quality and reliability as a result of having written the code. Even a team of developers cross-testing each other's code will not have the same ability to find flaws (before they embarrass you in front of the customer/client/user) as a dedicated tester whose job it is solely to find new (and old) ways to break things (and document them.)
DevOps is a completely different thing (though they work together with testers.)
It is only weird to have dedicated QA on your team if you don't give a fuck about releasing shit with bugs in it for the user to bump into.
> The world at large makes all sorts of trends, and that by itself doesn't make them smart.
I never said it was smart. Or dumb, for that matter. Just that many product teams have been made to merge testing responsibilities as an internal responsibility, in line with having end-to-end ownership of the product from development to its operational deployment. And usually without any dedicated test engineer member of that team to do this.
> It is only weird to have dedicated QA on your team if you don't give a fuck about releasing shit with bugs in it for the user to bump into.
Well, has the behavior of software companies led you to believe they care strongly about this? I always got the impression they cared more about either maximizing feature velocity given a certain team size, or minimizing labor cost for a given feature velocity.
Isn't this still a thing? "Software Engineer in Test" being the newer term?
I just checked LinkedIn and they have quite a few job listings in this vein. Which makes sense: in the "AI and YOLO" development lifecycle, automated testing is more important than ever.