Comment by hoppp
9 hours ago
The whole "as little AI code as possible" is tribalism.
I want software that is brilliant and well audited, no matter who or what produced it.
No AI guarantees nothing, especially if it's a C codebase like netbsd, why not also join the rust tribe then?
It's more like the Amish not using certain technology we all take for granted.
I see this much broader: opting out of certain technologies.
As a vegan I opt out of all animal domestication/husbandry and wild catch/hunt.
And I try to stay away from refined sugar and refined starches.
Abortion is also a technology people feel strongly about.
And now we have the use of AI.
Did we also have people that did not want to use an electronic calculator when it just came out? Probably.
You haven't earned the right to use an electronic calculator until you first master the slide rule!
What makes their position tribialism and not yours?
I think rational tool use doesn't have to be tribalist. Right tool for the right job.
It becomes tribalism when there is an enemy. Us and them, mac vs pc, AI vs Humans, the left vs the right.
Maintainers get their FOSS projects bombed with AI slop PRs and issues, and you call their position to not accept slop a tribalist position?
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Pragmatism is the opposite of tribalism. GP is a pragmatist, therefore not a tribalist.
Tribalism ↔ Pragmatism: prioritising group loyalty and identity versus prioritising practical outcomes and what works.
I think saying "all code that was touched by an LLM is tainted" is not pragmatic.
> I want software that is brilliant and well audited, no matter who or what produced it.
Not caring about ethics is selfish.
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sometimes, it feels like AI people are incapable of understanding that the concerns we have with this can encompass more than purely productivity and convenience :/
Haven’t you heard? Having no morals or sense of ethics is called being ‘pragmatic’
> just plagiarize and flip them
FWIW this is a common human tactic in general. It's called DARVO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
I note, neutrally, that it is typically a pattern seen in cases of abusive relationships.
Me personally, I see it a lot when confronting anthropogenic global warming deniers. They tend to hysterically shriek at me that I am a conspiracy theorist, science denier, etc. when of course the truth is that climate denialism is a conspiracy theory, as realistic as Flat Earthers and Young Earth Creationists.
Look, I'm not an AI supporter, but you can't put your head in the sand about things it does well. Even if you don't use it to produce production code, using it for research, prototyping, etc is still incredibly useful.
Alternatively
>Look I'm not an anti-AI supporter, but you can't put your head in the sand about the environmental and social destruction it causes. Even if you use it to do good it's still incredibly harmful.
We aren't putting our heads in the sand, we're objecting to increasingly frantic pushes on a global scale to force this shit on us all. We're doing harm reduction on every front we can from personal lives to software.
This thread is specifically about "as little AI code as possible". And you use the "head in the sand" platitude about other uses of AI!
Can AI people even think any longer? You can peck on the downvote button like a hen, that's it.