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Comment by lo_zamoyski

8 hours ago

We have time/energy/money in amounts heretofore not available to us. It's a question of motivation and the culture that produces it. If society's highest common good and life's highest aspirations are materialistic and consumerist, then where does something like this fit in? What for? It becomes a nice curiosity and a tourist stop at best and that's not much much of a motive.

No, we prefer to spend all our time/energy/money on lesser things.

That is your personal judgement that those things are lesser. I reserve the right to disagree.

  • You indeed do, and I support that. I wonder, though - setting aside the catholic notion of God and the associated church embedded in this project, how do you think of future generations? How do you think about things beyond yourself? How do you consider the impacts of your actions on the future?

    I’m not being facetious with these questions, nor am I making an accusation - I think it’s a genuinely interesting question for the modern world, and it’s what I’m circling around here more than the notion of glorying god: the cathedral was a gift to the humans of future generations, one whose sacrifice indicated the value its makers placed on the wellbeing of its recipients. How do you think of your actions in that light? Do you?

    • Things like this are my secular cathedral: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Gallery_of_Canada

      It's not an accident that the architecture of the Canadian National Gallery explicitly references Christian church architecture.

      Or the Smithsonian. Or the NASA museum at Cape Canaveral. Also cathedrals.

      Walking the entire length of a Saturn V rocket laid on its side at the NASA museum at Cape Canaveral is as close to a holy moment as this old atheist has ever experienced.

    • There is a balance. I've seen old houses - they look pretty, but as an engineer they suck. Terrible insulation, bad (ergonomic) layout... Plenty of useless features - who needs cable TV or phone jacks these days...

      Which means there needs to be a balance - looks nice enough for today, but don't think for a moment it will meet the needs of the future so it needs to be easy to replace as well.

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    • > the cathedral was a gift to the humans of future generations

      do you know that (a) the designers of those cathedrals actually thought that? (b) the the people who built those cathedreals actually thought that?

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