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Comment by kilroy123

4 hours ago

I'm not a big fan of their trend of talking about a new model and not releasing it for a while.

Google is way more risk adverse than the smaller labs, because the punishment for slip ups is dramatic.

They cut down 1.5sq miles of man made logging forest that was rezoned to industrial land (and sold to google), without getting the right permit first, and it's been international news for almost a month. Anthropic and OAI are still small fish, at least publicly, so they can get away with far more. If Gemini was doing the shit OAI was doing with agent hacks and the like, there would be congressional hearings and $10B in european fines.

When you are a megacorp, perhaps here even the megacorp, every mistake you make is worth millions to someone, the government, the media, individuals, or all of them

  • You’re also assuming the decision is up to Google.

    I’ve heard from multiple labs that model release is up to the US government now.

    You can also see this with Astra being announced and then launched a few days later.

    • It's totally possible, especially with meeting all the major heads had with Trump a few weeks ago.

      I imagine they all want to avoid uninformed knee-jerk legislation, so preventing a "three mile island" type incident that would freak out society and congress would be common ground alignment between all the labs.

      The air around AI is already dense, but it would suffocate the industry overnight if something like a large scale financial attack or grid attack took place.

  • While I don't disagree, if we are to believe Anthropic's valuation claim, it squarely falls under "megacorp" territory.

  • > When you are a megacorp, perhaps here even the megacorp, every mistake you make is worth millions to someone, the government, the media, individuals, or all of them

    I don't buy it.

    SpaceX is not exactly a small corporation, and they nevertheless strike me as far less risk-averse than GOOG and they deal with actual hardware that actually effing explodes.

  • I'm going to say that deforesting without a permit is quite a bit worse than not releasing vaporware.

    This isn't about a "slip up", it's the modus operandi for Google since it was young. Press releases instead of real releases. I can't count the number of times I've clicked on a "launch" story from Google on HN only to end up on a blog post with an embedded youtube video, and nothing else. Google just doesn't get it, and this is one of the many ways that manifests.

I think Artificialanalysis should have a policy of only including available models or something. They already include Gemini 4 Carbon now even though nobody can access it. Google can celebrate that they have the highest scoring model. Fable 5.5 and Astra 6.1 will probably be released before Gemini 4 Carbon and might well outperform it...

I’m not a big fan of their trend of talking about having released a model and then it being unavailable for paid AI plus subscribers for months.

I have stopped even clicking on their launch links.. it's always something that's not available right now or 'not yet available in your country'..

Anyone can promise the moon in the future.

Especially since at least to me, Argon is a clear tier below current Claude and Sol.

Everything at Google rolls out incrementally to different populations of users so no matter what feature they are announcing there is a good chance you can't see it yet. When they announced Gemini 4 Argon it was 2 days before I could use it.

Deepmind creates these, Google Cloud productizes them.

If Google Cloud was in charge, Gemini 5 would be public, and they wouldn't be messing with Gemini 4 nor 1M context when they have 10M internal. C'est la vie.