Comment by Mongoose
5 hours ago
Fully willing to accept that I could be an outlier, but I have never understood how a market exists for laptops with touch screens.
5 hours ago
Fully willing to accept that I could be an outlier, but I have never understood how a market exists for laptops with touch screens.
I used to work regularly on a commuter train with a firm-provided touchscreen ThinkPad. The touchscreen was great on the train because it was faster (for many things) than reaching for the trackpad. And when you're in a sort of cramped sitting position, reaching forward feels natural.
I'm a lawyer by trade and am forced to lean on GUIs with little keyboard-control support. When I code (for pleasure), I don't miss the touchscreen, but I often miss it when I'm trying to read PDFs and Word documents on the go.
It would be interesting to know what ThinkPad model it was. The older ones had pretty small trackpads so they were difficult to reach.
On Macbooks the trackpad is so large that you can reach it even from the sides of the laptop and the two finger scrolling actually works without second thought.
You got me curious, which GUIs with little keyboard-control support are you using / forced to use?
I had one for work a while back that could turn around so the screen faced upward while closed, effectively making it a bulky/heavy tablet. It was convenient for walking over to someone desk and discussing a topic. But it wasn't ground breaking enough for me to ever seek something out like it again. I rarely even open my laptop these days unless I'm in a conference room.
I look for touchscreens when looking for a cheap windows laptop for someone because they tend to be better quality screens (IPS, decent brightness, etc.) instead of some awful TN panel that's barely visible in a well-lit room.
I don't really expect anyone to use it as a touchscreen, but if they do, at least that will work too.
Kids expect all screens to be touch ready. Chromebooks they learn on in schools are touchscreen. It will be a competitive requirement before long, I think.
I agree with you. When I show things to my kids on my laptop, they instantly try to play with the content by touching the screen.
While true, I do not believe kids are the intended market for a laptop in which the entry model starts near $3k USD.
Kids will grow into the next generation of adults and having a screen you can’t touch will probably feel like an anachronism to them.
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People who were toddlers when the first iPad came out are now in college.
...Chromebooks are touch screen? This whole time, I've used them assuming they aren't.
Doesn't matter. Google killed Chromebooks.
Some of them are, some aren't.
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Getting rid of the fixed keyboard helps a lot (my preferred form factor), but even in the classic laptop form factor is makes a ton of sense IMHO.
There's a lot of small niceties that pile up into a better experience, the sister comments cover a bunch of those, so I'll focus on a macos specific nice point:
iPad and iPhone apps can now get direct touch when running on a laptop, instead of the mouse mode. With this, there is now a perfect platform able to run Mac, iOS and iPad apps outside of the ill-fated Vision Pro.
That's too little to late for me, but I think many will appreciate the benefits.
I've been trying to brainstorm a helpful use case this would bring but I can't think of anything.
I mean just imagine how jarring it is to go from touching the macbook screen to mess with your app to needing to input text. Whether you use the macbook keyboard, or the on screen keyboard, it's just kinda rough.
It seems like there’s an audience among older people and possibly children, but I don’t see a situation in which a professional at least would really or want a touchscreen. Do you really want the oil from your fingers constantly smudging up your screen, particularly a glossy one? Unless it comes with a pair of complimentary Apple windshield wipers, it's gonna get gross fast.
The only situation I could see it being useful in is if it came with a pressure-sensitive pen, so you could use it for sketching and drawing. But even then, that would only really work well if the screen folded all the way around, so it would sit flush against the base or if it opened 180 degrees, so you could lay it flat on a table without it wobbling around on a hinge.
Much like the Touch Bar, I expect that Apple will learn this lesson the hard way.
You’re not an outlier.
I feel the same but I noticed that the boomers and Gen Z both reach for the screen when I am showing them something and they want to interact with it(i.e. scroll a page or close a window).
Maybe the the intuitive and natural way of interaction is touch and the generations between the boomers and the Gen Z are the only ones who command the skillset to use computers in any other way.
I mean it's only $400 more than the LED non-touch screen.
Seems like it would be useful for app development being able to do touchscreen for the iOS and iPadOS simulators.
This is exactly why I'm considering it. It sounds super useful to feel the drag gestures while developing. Same with website testing when they are meant to be used on a phone/tablet mostly.
I much prefer using an actual device, which is required for a lot of other hardware features anyway.
Oh in university it's a godsend having something you can just run PDF Annotator on and draw with a pen directly on your laptop. (Lenovo 20KK user here, got it for 200€ at a hamvention used, even came with a 4G modem)
You are an outliner. Touch is standard across every device. To not have it just feels like a deduction.
Even now, I find myself resisting the urge to tap things on my Macbook display as it is.
The world moved on. Touch is standard, and Steve Jobs was incredibly wrong with his weird opinions.
This is like people arguing that a computer mouse is not necessary in 1990.
5 trillion market cap. That's how much of an outlier (i.e. clueless) you are.
Whatever-trillion market cap was wrong about the Touch Bar
Not sure they were wrong, just gave up on it too soon.
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