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Comment by herni

13 hours ago

This is a dumb argument imo. Critical vulnerabilities are mostly due to memory bugs (and not for a lack of other kinds of bugs). Most people relying on programs written in C (or even C++) should consider plans for migrating to software created with toolchains from this century. You cannot indefinitely carry on this tech debt.

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veltas  7 hours ago

Here are some CVEs identified in Rust coreutils [1]. These are mostly really trivial issues. I'd bet money that the nastier logic bugs are still in there and that the people who maintained the old C utils or helped identify the old bugs can find similar ones in these utils, although half these issues probably never appeared in the C version because Rust is much more complicated than C so makes it easier to hide logic bugs in plain site, looking at many of the issues in this article they seem like bugs that are extremely unlikely to get written in C, like accidentally forcing everything to be UTF-8, or aborting on routine errors.

[1] https://corrode.dev/blog/bugs-rust-wont-catch/

TZubiri  10 hours ago

One issue with this argument is that, almost everything is memory, especially in C. It's not really descriptive. If you write a reactionary language like Rust, it may be possible that you just fix one type of issue (with an error type taxonomy that's not very refined), and end up with a language that does not necessarily cause less bugs and vulns, but that causes less vulns that can be classified as that type of issue, while increasing other types of bugs/vulns, either of an existing type, or of a new type that only exists in that new language.

Like are we empirically seeing less Rust CVEs? Adjusted for popularity of software and perhaps age of software.

  • 3OCSzk  7 hours ago

    Are you saying by attempting to reduce certain types of bug category such as memory safety, other types of vulns would suddenly be increased because of it? It sounds to me like you are saying we shouldn't treat common cold because cancer rates might increase. And what do you mean by reactionary?