Hacker News Parody Thread

13 years ago (bradconte.com)

I disagree with the author. This isn't exactly a parody thread. A parody is "an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialise an original work" [1]. For one thing, I would hardly call Hacker News comments "original work", and a simple creation like this hardly captures the full scope and breadth of comments on here.

Furthermore, I'm not really sure why this belongs on HN, because it's not very technical, and frankly, not very intellectually stimulating. People on here don't appreciate humor, so those who upvoted this should have known better. I've flagged the article.

Also, I've never even heard of Brad Conte.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody

Good god this was funny, right down to the usernames.

But now its time to be very HN about it.

> Rats, top comments will be impossible to beat.

Actually I think I have a solution to this, though its just guesswork.

I'm not particularly well known here (or anywhere), but either people actually like the words I say, or I simply have yet to make a complete ass out of myself. (I think one of these is more plausible, but who is to say.)

My average karma on HN is 20.59, which seems to be a lot. Specifically, on the Leaderboard[1] that puts me in fourth place among the HN big names for average karma (though I have nowhere near the total karma to appear there).

I've noticed that when I reply to a post, even if there's already 30 comments, my post usually ends up at the top. And it stays there, even if no one replies, and even if I don't get many or any upvotes for it, for a few hours sometimes.

Alas I don't know for certain, but my guess is that if you have a high average karma then your posts are automatically weighted higher, so you can inject your opinion into almost any topic at any time. This affords me the luxury of being a contradictory whine even if I come late to the party!

Can anyone confirm or deny my suspicion here?

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/leaders

  • > Alas I don't know for certain, but my guess is that if you have a high average karma then your posts are automatically weighted higher, so you can inject your opinion into almost any topic at any time. This affords me the luxury of being a contradictory whine even if I come late to the party!

    One thing I dislike about the 'average karma' is that it discourages engaging in an extended discussion. For example, if you reply to this post, you may get a number of upvotes, but probably not as many as your original post. This creates an incentive just to ignore replies (when possible) so as not to bring down your average comment score.

    • The metric which would be a tad closer to ideal would be some average of u/t where u := the number of users who upvoted a given comment, t := total number of users who saw that comment. Where "saw" can mean either "the comment was already there when the user loaded the comments page", or, if you want to get fancy, "the comment was within the browser's viewport long enough to be read" (which some clever JavaScript can tell you.)

  • You are also forgetting your groupies. People will upvote your post because its you and not due to its content. tptacek has mentioned this in the past, and I personally suffer from it.

    • > also forgetting your groupies. ... tptacek has mentioned

      I never would have guessed.

      I wonder if this thread could be turned into a parody of the parody?

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  • I've certainly noticed it's become easier to get replies as my average karma rises. It's also easier to get posts modded up, creating a positive feedback loop (I'm guessing more people vote on posts that are near the top of the page?). Don't have any concrete evidence though.

  • Well, pg isn't on that leaderboard. Not sure what karma means or what it's worth other to the user than giving one the ability to down-vote (which should require posting a reason for having done so, but that's a different thread).

    As a tool or "quality score" that aims to control and keep a forum from derailing this kind of a scoring system has probably done OK. Not sure if it is solely responsible for these effects on sites like HN and SO, but there's not denying that the signal to noise ratio is far better than for example USENET S/N or some forums out there (vBulletin or phpBB type).

    Having operated a forum before I can tell you that it can be an absolute nightmare (I was using vBulletin) on many fronts. HN seems to be able to maintain decent quality.

  • Rats, top comments will be impossible to beat. I can probably piggy-back off a top comment, though, those comment threads aren't long yet...

    • Piggybacking off a piggyback comment to take the discussion back on topic:

          There is further parody content in the URLs of the 'reply' links
      

      Didn't realize until stalking through to the author's commentary on his personal blog: http://bradconte.com/hacker-news-parody-thread.html, because the relevant replies (including the author's own: ctrl+f "B-Con") were too far down this thread to ever see without foreknowledge.

The parody is funny. The comments here are hilarious. I fear I will never again be able to tell if an HN commenter is just jerking my chain, no matter how sincere they seem.

Black text on a grey background? How can anyone expect to read this? We don't all have retina displays and use OSX.

http://contrastrebellion.com/

  • I have a Macbook 15-inch 2.7GHz with Retina display, it baffles me that it is 2013 and there are still people who don't have one yet.

    I mainly do my programming by SSHing to it and using Vim on my ipad.

    • > I mainly do my programming by SSHing to it and using Vim on my ipad.

      I've both actually done this, and told people about it on HN. I'm ashamed.

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  • The blog's text looks fine for me on a 95DPI monitor using Firefox on Windows 7. It looks quite bad on a recent Chromium build but that's to be expected for Webfonts rendered in Chrom* running on Windows.

"Rats, top comments will be impossible to beat. I can probably piggy-back off a top comment, though, those comment threads aren't long yet..."

actually, this text in the reply box highlights a huge problem with threaded (and voted) discussions in general: there is little incentive to reply to any already-huge thread, even with valuable content.

i've been thinking of how to solve this issue for the past week and have some ideas, working on a prototype.

  • I generally agree, however, your comment would be more valuable if you would include verifiable information instead of anecdotes and personal opinion, and you would actually analyse the problem instead of throwing around vague criticism.

    My take on the subject is:

    This effect can be mostly attributed to the fact that a top comment means more exposure, and given that the upvotes outweight the downvotes on the response (which is true, since that's why it is at the top), by deductive reasoning we arrive to the obvious conclusion that more exposure will further cement the position of a given post.

    Also we must not forget about the effect of peer pressure[1]

    [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_pressure

    For those with a lack of humour, I include a smiley here: :-)

  • I'm curious what you came up with. I used to work on Google Moderator, which was a project created to solve this problem for non-threaded discussion (which is even worse), and we had some neat solutions. We displayed comments to users to be voted on, and ended up using a variant of wilson confidence intervals not just to rank, but to figure out which comments we should display to users to be voted on.

    • where i ended up was, it cannot be solved within a single view. there needs to be some form of split side-by-side view for the discussion, each prioritizing replies differently - by freshness, votes, weight or other metrics. another idea was to create a heat-map based on reply velocity to give a third dimension to the whole thing.

      replies need "simmer" time at the top to aggregate enough votes. if there is one huge reply thread that dominates, few will scroll through pages looking for new content.

      just the ability to fold comments on HN would help a lot already.

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  • There seems to be some level of encouragement for letting old discussions fall away, though. The ranking algorithm specifically has it built in.

The usernames made me chuckle, my favorite is "DefaultSearchIsWikipedia".

Also, you forgot at least one archetype: the enthusiastic rant from an oblivious hell-banned poster.

I think a parody of something is one of the best ways to draw insight, and in my opinion I'm kinda happy that this is what the parody of HN is: links to wikipedia/cited sources, debates about whether or not an article was correct, nitpicks and views from different positions/experiences, and the off hand XKCD comic.

Probably much more civil than a parody of a slashdot/reddit/4chan post would be.

  • Let's not be too self-congratulatory. Hacker News today is in many ways like reddit of a few years ago, and Slashdot of many years ago. And this is a somewhat bowdlerized parody anyway.

    • I think all social news networks will degrade over time, but it's still good to have these health checks every once in a while to see what the state of it currently is. It lets us know when we need to move on.

  • Your comment would be might better without the last sentence.

    The good content can stand on its own. No need to look down on other sites to look good by comparision.

At the risk of a) being wrong and b) breaking the 4th wall by not conforming to said stereotype, looks like both my username and my tendency to ramble just within the limits of OT have been parodied there.... Oh well, if that's actually the case, then I'm honored :)

EDIT: btw, hate my username and emailed PG to get it changed; he said it's not currently possible in the code. Wouldn't want him poking around the DB for me! Made my username back when HN first started as an anonymous account, but kept using it thereafter... CamelCase usernames suck!

I read the first few responses but when I finally searched for "haskell" and nothing came up I got bored and moved on.

OP here: Thanks for the positive response, HN. The comments here are hilarious. Way to embrace the spirit. :-)

Just in case it wasn't noticed by many, note that all the links on the page are mini-jokes as well. Replies, navigation, everything.

  • How about if you mouse over the upvote button the down vote button jumps up under your cursor!

  • How about if you mouse over the upvote button the sow vote button jumps up under your cursor!

"Who's the OP" was pretty funny. Honestly, the hacker-hero worship on HN gets a little ridiculous sometimes.

I have a related question: what is HN's stance on parody?

I've seen many parodies posted to HN that have been flagged to hell because some don't notice that it's a parody. (excellent example: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5126318) I also have my own parodies that I've stopped posting because they've met the same fate.

As Russian poet said to describe his portrait:

  Себя как в зеркале я вижу,
  Но это зеркало мне льстит.

A. Pushkin

Translation:

  I see myself as in a mirror 
  But this mirror flatters me.

A good laugh -- it's all in the details; and surprisingly plausible

I disagree with the author. I know he's incredibly successful and right about pretty much everything he's ever said, but I've had some experience in this area and just finished reading through some of the archives and I think his focus is wrong. I'm going to ignore the technical issue and talk about the bigger picture and higher level things than what was said in the blog post. If the OP thinks that the process is most important, it's really about end results. But if he thinks it should be about the end results then he's an idiot for not thinking about the process. I'll weasel in a reference the startup I co-founded even though it's not directly relevant.

I'm tempting to make a version of this that will take a URL and automatically generate comments that follow this model.

I know this is off-topic, but does anyone know how he put this together?

  • Just in case you're serious: I wrote the replies out in a simple indentation format. Then when I had convinced myself I had some legitimate humor material I saved an HN page, looked at the internal layout structure (and lost a few IQ points in the process), and found an easy way to copy blocks of markup to create comments. Then I did a ton of link replacing and modifying for each comment, to give them unique IDs for voting, make username URLs match up, etc. (Note the ID numbers are all prime.)

    If you view the source, it's obvious how it's cobbled together.

    Interestingly, writing the first 90% of the comment content only took about 10% of the total time. Refining it and adding the rest took the other 90%.

    • Seems like a typical idea v.s. execution case. I found it funny. Thanks for taking the time.

I wish Stripe would come to Denmark.

  • Hey, nice to see another Dane on HN. Care to meet up for a beer sometime?

    I'm based in Malmo. The scene here isn't as big as in the Valley, but I look at that as an advantage, because it's easier to get traction locally and then expand.

The first thing i did when i opened your link knowing it was a parody was to check how many responses to the article there were. And there were too many. Way too many.

Comments on Hacker News more often than not go into the meta almost immediately, and constantly, so there's usually one comment with well over half of the op's responses nested under it. I use a userscript for HN for this exact reason.

It's upsetting, to be honest.

Got distracted halfway through the thread, came back 10 minutes later, and read another 3 comments before I remembered it was a parody.

The funniest thing about this parody (to me, at least) was that so many of the made up names were actual HN usernames...

Honestly, I find the culture of "top comment contradicts the OP" a bit weird and unauthentic in a sense.

The author couldn't be more wrong. Eating animals is always wrong. Would you eat your own dog? Or little brother? They are made of meat as well. I wouldn't eat my own dog and my little brother, well, if he was a gingerbread boy maybe.

"I hate to be the person to point out": The brain-washers offer to help explaining that only when you realize where you have gone wrong can you end the self-loathing you are now experiencing.

This also needs "our slashdot clone of super geniuses is being ruined by comments such as this" pearl clutching from the admin.

I have no idea whether to take any comments here as serious or continuing the parody :)

This has nothing to do with parodies or hacker news threads. What's the point?