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Comment by fragsworth

12 years ago

> The government outright tortured people for years, and nothing has come of it.

I am not saying it's OK, but in that case, most US citizens aren't even affected. In the case of surveillance, data from US citizens is being directly compromised. Their attempt to do what they want to foreign individuals with surveillance actually causes some collateral damage to US citizens.

> I am not saying it's OK, but in that case, most US citizens aren't even affected.

There is a very strong line of reasoning that says terrorist attacks and thousands of America soldiers killed in combat are a direct result of these kinds of foreign policies.

Who cares about the collateral damage done to US citizens? The problem is the damage done to non-US citizens.

  • What?! since when non-us citzens can vote?

    remember that democracy (even half-implemented as it is in the US) is the dictatorship or the majority (that can vote).

    • If voters are concerned with the plight of non-voters, then the plight of non-voters is by definition of concern to voters.

      Asking voters to be concerned with what their government does to non-voters should never be discouraged. It may be futile, but it should not be discouraged.

  • I only made the distinction because someone pointed out that it's difficult for government agencies to get in legal trouble unless US citizens are the ones being harmed.