Comment by throwawayaway
11 years ago
setup a ejabberd server on a beaglebone and put a web xmpp client on it. encrypt the shit out of everything, get your friends on to it.
i'm sure there's valid business reasons to kill xmpp, not just total information awareness pressures from above.
The problem right now is persistent connections on iOS. You need to use push messages instead, which requires a plugin on the jabber server and a matching client.
Not something you can expect all your friends to set up.
You could also have clients and servers implement http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html .
ejabberd doesn't support 0357 [0]. Presumably because their 'pro' version has mobile support.
MongooseIM doesn't support it either, although there is talk of it being implemented [1]
To be fair though, it was only accepted on the 18th March 2015.
[0] - https://www.ejabberd.im/protocols [1] - https://github.com/esl/MongooseIM/issues/405
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i thought push notifications worked with IM+ on iOS? i am not very familiar with either though, so i'm probably wrong.
There is a number of IM clients for iOS, that store your credential "in the cloud" (use their own infrastructure to terminate the XMPP connection and route push notifications to their clients). This is not ideal for your privacy, to put it into friendly words.
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i suggested this because i believe xmpp to be superior to irc.
Step #4 (get your friends to use it) is really hard to do. I tried and failed with my friend group. If there's one non-technical user in the group (or one who is tremendously attached to their Hangouts chat history), you're probably doomed to failure.
i've had limited success, one factor that helped was me going cold turkey on the alternatives. also you define your own success, gaining a monopoly is rather a high standard!
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I would like to believe the same. The prosody folks are awesome btw (as an alternative to ejabberd).
But there are still open issues. One big one, compared to all the FB/Google/etc. offerings is the ability to have a usable chat log. Current xmpp implementations/standards are more or less useless if you happen to use more than one device and want to look something up/want to see what you wrote to your brother yesterday, on your desktop, while looking at your phone.
Mandatory extensions in my world: - Stream Management (easy) - Carbon Copies (easy) - MAM/Message Archive (described above, hard, haven't found a way yet)
Mam is exactly what I am waiting for too.
It should be in prosody 0.10 [1] (not stable yet) but I did not yet have a change to test it.
(And XEP-0313 is still quite new and experimental)
[1]: https://code.google.com/p/prosody-modules/wiki/mod_mam