Comment by aroch

9 years ago

CO is produced by bacteria in your gut, just like H2S.

The short version is more likely CO2, not CO, and the detector was probably fooled by methane. In more detail:

I was motivated to google, and much like radioactivity or electric current its possible to measure "scary" things to low levels that don't usually matter, and according to a 1982 gastroenterology paper that I found, aerobic fecal fermentation will produce an irrelevent yet measurable extremely low CO output while the anerobic fecal bacteria find CO to be a yummy fuel and will rapidly consume it. Unfortunately they cannot consume CO fast enough to scavenge your blood clean if you're suffering from CO poisoning, which is too bad. Carbon monoxide being known as that thing that gives you massive gas would be far preferable to being known as that poison that kills people, but thats how it goes, can't win em all, so despite our helpful fecal bacteria CO does kill people. The paper theorized the anerobes protect the host by eating the extremely small level of CO that normal aerobic gut flora output.

From fooling around with chemical sensors in my youth, quite a few work by heating up an oxidation catalyst and measuring its temp very closely given the carefully measured outside air temp and electricity fed into them. So feed it a fuel like carbon monoxide and it gets microscopically, yet measurably, hotter. You can play molecular weight games to get a catalyst that preferentially responds to light stuff like methane or CO, or heavy stuff like vaporized wax. My semi-educated guess is the aviation CO sensor got fooled by methane in the guy's gas. Methane isn't a serious threat in an airplane fuel tank so its unlike bowel gas analysis was a high priority in the specs. This is in the class of proving things by ruling them out, and you can't rule out a heated oxidation catalyst sensor getting fooled by low molecular weight methane, its a believable scenario.

  • Quite possibly, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was actually CO. The western-fatty diet, a.k.a the stereotypical US diet, winds up promoting CO output by not only your gut commensals, but by your epithelial cells themselves.

    Not really on topic but human microbiota papers from before the late 90's/early 2000's aren't the best -- especially when dealing with metabolic processes and outputs. Available technologies and techniques at the time made studying many commensal anaerobes very difficult.

  • >"so its unlike bowel gas analysis was a high priority in the specs"

    Classic :)

    After digging through ebay and google images for awhile, I finally found one of the two different units that we used: http://www.equipcoservices.com/sales/rae/multirae_plus.html

    That one actually has, at least what sounds like, a built in aquarium pump that actually draws air into the unit.

    The other style we used seemed to be completely digital. It made no noise and the main unit was big and bulky. The sensor plugged into it with long wires and the sensor it self was just a big heavy plastic cube. On one side it had a screen and behind the screen was just what looked like metal. As if it could sense gases through metal or something, dunno.

    And I don't know which model I was using at the time of my "experiment"

    • I was motivated to bottom up research vs your top down and apparently technology has advanced and the cool kids these days are using obscure semiconductors that drop in resistance as reductive (as opposed to oxidative) gases adsorb on the surface, then periodically they heat up and cook off the adsorbed stuff (otherwise they'd be permanent total dosage sensors).

      http://www.ewinsen.com/Admin/uploadfile/201209/2012916105693...

      It ends up being the same argument on a high level that for both operational and practical reasons the sensors usually respond to anything that burns / reduces in the presence of oxygen regardless of specific chemistry and design.