Comment by JabavuAdams

10 years ago

> Also, I can do most things that I want to do without having to deal with common-place gangsterism.

If I start a business in Canada (or the US) I can expect minimal to no interference from the government, organized crime, or the military. My impression is that this is not true in China or Russia.

If I want to build a rocket, I can actually do that and launch it while complying with minimal regulatory oversight. Maybe it would be different if I were Muslim.

Basically, there aren't too many things that I want to do that living under US rule prevents me from doing, whereas the same is not true for other regimes.

EDIT>

> Sure, it's much nicer to live in a "representative" (hah!) democracy than in Russia, but the fundamental arrangement is the exact same everywhere: rulers ruling over their subjects.

The details matter.

> If I start a business in Canada (or the US) I can expect minimal to no interference from the government

I already acknowledged it's nicer to live in "The West" than in Russia for example.

But if you start a credit union with the intention of genuinely competing with the banks, the government will "regulate" you out of business for being a nuisance to the banking cartel.

In other words, the true nature of our societies comes into view, and as I pointed out, that nature is the exact same everywhere. The difference is that you live under a polished turd, whereas Russians don't.

> The details matter.

In a fundamental sense, they don't matter at all. A ruler is a ruler, and a subject is a subject, and ruling over people always involves coercion.

Coercion is, by definition, against anyone's will, and so no one is genuinely fine with being ruled.

  • > Coercion is, by definition, against anyone's will, and so no one is genuinely fine with being ruled.

    But again, the details matter. In a practical sense, there's no stark difference between mild coercion and compromise. One could argue that compromise is voluntary whereas, trivially, coercion is not, but this just discards a large part of human experience.

    I got married voluntarily. I had kids voluntarily. I choose to have friends, rather than isolating myself. Although all of these decisions were voluntary, their constraints on my behaviour are more onerous than anything dictated by my government. So if government coercion is less restrictive than social coercion / compromise, what's the point of taking a dogmatic stance?

    EDIT> No man is an island.