Comment by BrendanEich

8 years ago

(Did you miss the "Update, April 23, 2014" at bottom of [3]?)

I never bullied anyone, so leave that out. Be careful arguing that I'm responsible for others' actions due to systemic problems and biases. That fallacious line of argument cuts in many directions.

Your whole approach, asserting religion only and as if illegitimate, asserting incredible harm ascribed causally to me personally, then moving on after rebuttal without any amendment to your assertions, shows ill will. I'm not going to "dance around" anything with you, and we are nowhere near a common understanding of all our priors.

The best I hope for is try to find common factual ground, which we are doing, slowly.

However, if you can only keep assuming your conclusions and smearing me by association with groups or people I didn't and don't support, I'm out. If you see no way for civil society to function without all the dissenters -- religious or not, we are many -- toeing your line and apologizing for their heresy, then we are definitely done. We can agree that "Error has no rights" and stop now.

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sattoshi  8 years ago

I may not agree with you on everything you stand for (or against) but I feel for your position the more I read comments that speak ill of you.

If nothing else, these people come off as sociopathic and it makes me wonder if they are in opposition to you because they feel something immoral has been committed or simply because they just want to let out their hatred into the world.

  • BrendanEich  8 years ago

    Why not both? Jonathan Haidt, http://righteousmind.com/, goes into depth with moral psychology on why it feels good for many to vilify, call out, hate-mob, etc., and why we're seeing more such strife in the US, e.g., on campus. Recommended.

coldpie  8 years ago

I had a response all typed up, but I wiped it, because I'm being unproductive by trying to argue. I should be trying to understand.

My viewpoint is that the only reason to oppose gay marriage is because you believe that gay relationships are inferior to straight relationships. Can you please explain to me a reason to oppose gay marriage other than that? You listed a few earlier:

> People who didn't like the Foucauldian agenda behind the whole thing, or the judicial overreach, or mayors like Newsom overreaching, supported Prop 8.

I don't know what "Foucauldian agenda" means. Sorry.

"Judicial/Newsom overreach" don't make sense to me in the context of a public referendum. These people voted against something they wanted just to prove a point about something else(?); and then what, they were going to vote in favor of it again sometime in the future? Okay, but that's pretty baffling behavior.

I just have a hard time believing anyone in support of gay rights would choose to vote against gay rights and support anti-gay organizations. Maybe you can explain this more for me.