Comment by philips

6 years ago

Former US poet laureate Billy Collins wrote a poem about this sort of thing:

The Effort

  Would anyone care to join me
  in flicking a few pebbles in the direction
  of teachers who are fond of asking the question:
  "What is the poet trying to say?"

  as if Thomas Hardy and Emily Dickinson
  had struggled but ultimately failed in their efforts—
  inarticulate wretches that they were,
  biting their pens and staring out the window for a clue.

  Yes, it seems that Whitman, Amy Lowell
  and the rest could only try and fail
  but we in Mrs. Parker's third-period English class
  here at Springfield High will succeed

  with the help of these study questions
  in saying what the poor poet could not,
  and we will get all this done before
  that orgy of egg salad and tuna fish known as lunch.

It continues on for a few more stanzas; consider purchasing a copy of Ballistics for the full poem. The rest of the book is filled with memorable insights as well.

My two reference materials on this topic are:

(1) Bruce McAllister's symbolism survey - a 16 year old high school student straight-up asked bestselling authors whether they put symbolism in their work, with various replies - https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2011/12/05/document-the-...

(2) Ogden Nash's "Very Like A Whale" - Nash wrote a short, rhyming essay about how frustrating it was that authors sometimes try to use rhetorical techniques to convey meaning obliquely - http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~pahk/poems/021221.html . It always makes me giggle.

I once asked a co-worker what they liked about poetry.

"It's like reading a short story, but the author has less time to make their point."

That was a fun place to work.

Too bad I can't read it because HN quotes suck on mobile and don't work with the brave browser in Android.

@dang fix your mobile css and styling.

  • > Too bad I can't read it because HN quotes suck on mobile

    HN quotes are fine on mobile. But, just to be clear, this is how HN does quotes:

    “quoted text”

    And this is how HN does code blocks

      def this_is(code)
        not_a_quote
      end
    

    HN code blocks abused for long prose quotations suck on mobile (and aren't appealing on desktop, either), but that's abusing code blocks.

    • You'd have a point if the quote in question was a long prose quotation. It isn't; it's a poem and code formatting is often the only way to get poetry to appear reasonable.

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