Comment by ericdykstra
7 years ago
Amish are not anti-technology, they are technology-skeptic and will only adopt a technology if they see that the benefit outweighs the cost, and they are very conservative about their decisions.
http://amishamerica.com/technology/
Just looking at the result, it seems to have worked out well for them. They're a community that has maintained a focus on family and community, and are in a good position to withstand collapse scenarios, since they are much less dependent on the global economic system.
There are also several different "strains" of Amishism, with substantial differences in their technology adoption stances.
Driving through the midwest the most surprising thing I saw was a big Amish family birthday party... at a Texas Roadhouse.
It's a lot of local councils making judgements individually on an case by case basis. The rules can vary quite a lot depending on the individuals involved.
It's also important to remember that most Amish didn't choose that lifestyle, they were born into it. And while it is possible to leave at any time, it is pretty difficult to adjust to a radically different lifestyle with little support on the outside. So instead you see stuff like air powered blenders where people work loopholes so they can lead a more comfortable life while not having to go to extremes.
This is the major difference between the Amish and for example Monks. In the latter case they chose that lifestyle and find it fulfilling in itself. They weren't forced into it.
The are even some 1-2 dozen church districts of New Order Amish that use grid electricity.
>only adopt a technology if they see that the benefit outweighs the cost
I remember reading this explanation a while ago and it seemed completely logical. I feel like I've been swept away with a lot of things without ever stopping to consider its necessity.
A big part of it is the cult of individualism. Do you really think that you, by willpower alone, are going to be able to resist all the temptations of multinational corporations who collectively spend billions researching how to manipulate your lizard brain?
The Amish do it through community, accountability, and literally physically separating themselves from the vast majority of this influence.
On the other hand, IIRC not many folks are willing to be come Amish when they had a "modern" upbringing.
And their children aren't choosing to stay with a modern bag of tools either: Their children stop being educated after around 8th grade. If I remember, this has something to do with pride. Someone that doesn't go along and stay Amish has a very real disadvantage to make it in the modern world.
They do things, in part, with pressuring a young and not fully educated person with no real experience of other things. Sure, once you are there you hav some community and stuff as long as you follow the ways.
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as an individual i see no problem with resisting the manipulation of large corporations.
in fact, it's individualism that allows me to make that choice, because as an individual i have the freedom to make different choices than you.
it's peer pressure that i can't entirely escape. at least when it comes to tools that we need to choose to collaborate.
groups can be used to help resist temptations. but that means i am voluntarily using peer pressure to help me. which is fine, as long as it is done selectively. someone may join the AA to help them change their drinking habits.
but amish culture seems more of an all or nothing approach. there seems to be little freedom to adopt certain aspects of the culture, while rejecting others, unless you are an outsider.
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>> Do you really think that you, by willpower alone, are going to be able to resist all the temptations of multinational corporations who collectively spend billions researching how to manipulate your lizard brain?
Well, it is difficult, but not impossible to develop oneself to withstand this onslaught. They create these entrapments, mostly through the use of technology :).
However, you are right, that in itself may not be enough if you are still embedded in it. But wouldn't it be great, if we can figure out how to do that. Yes, it needs some resources, in terms of community, wealth . I feel this is the next chapter in our philosophical evolution - to create a philosophy which makes you anti fragile to these things. Those before us did not face this problem at this scale.
And The problem is, people mistake a way of life for life itself. And it becomes difficult for them to change that for a better life.
I am not talking about the Amish here, but the general populace so dependent on modern technology. A simple suggestion to get rid of their smartphones gives people anxiety attack and make them go all defensive.
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Compressed air systems do have some additional safety problems that more "modern" technologies don't have.
On my thermodynamics course at college the instructor commented that If the lab block's main storage tank for compressed air let go it would flatten the entire building.
This was a full service building , one with air water and electricity plumbed in
I can't help to think that it's entirely so the Amish elites/aristocrats keep themselves in power by limiting access to Media.
But interesting take, they would survive in things like Solar storms/electrical grid collapsed.
Thanks for the link! My initial reaction was quite similar to GP's. However, I still think that, if they use compressed air from a gasoline-based compressor to drive an appliance, that's as good as using a gasoline generator to drive the same appliance (with the option to use a wind-based generator instead).
Think of it less as having an issue with a gasoline generator and more about wanting it to be sufficiently more effort to use it that it takes more thought to decide to do something.
It's a nice life hack in general to create barriers that makes it easier to behave how you want to behave than to take shortcuts.
The thing to remember is they aren't asking you to adjudicate what they are doing.
We can still question and criticise. They don't need to listen or act.