Comment by sandGorgon

6 years ago

The last part of the line reads (rather politically incorrectly) that Apple has more talent available to solve this problem.

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zozbot234  6 years ago

Or they were just willing to accept a significant increase in language complexity, to deal with things that Rust just punts on by basically expecting you to stick to #[repr(C)] at your preferred dylib boundary. (Though, potentially, that #[repr(C)] could become e.g. #[repr(SomeArbitraryStableABI)], and there have been proposals to this effect.) And they did this precisely because of that perception that Swift "wouldn't be usable" otherwise.

atq2119  6 years ago

Resources != Talent, and the line talked about resources, not talent.

It's pretty obvious that Apple can throw more money at the problem than Mozilla can, if they choose to do so. That means they can buy more developers to work the problem, which is bound to be helpful whether those developers are particularly talented or not.

There's really nothing politically incorrect about that.

littlestymaar  6 years ago

Given that the author is a Mozilla employee (working on Rust) and former Apple one (on Swift), I'd be surprised if your interpretation was correct.

  • Gankro  6 years ago

    Yeah motivation is the bigger factor (why would Mozilla care about the system APIs of an OS, of all things?) but also it doesn't hurt that Apple is one of the richest companies in the world (depending on the day).

  • sandGorgon  6 years ago

    I do admit that English is not my first language...but I am struggling to interpret "Apple had way more resources to throw at this very hard problem." any other way.

    • littlestymaar  6 years ago

      It depends what you mean by “talent”, if you use it in the HR way where a “talent” is an employee, then yes talent=resources, but then I don't understand how this is “politically incorrect”.

      What I understand when you say this:

      > the line reads (rather politically incorrectly) that Apple has more talent available

      Is Apple employees are more “talented” than Mozilla's. That's politically incorrect, but I'm pretty sure that's not what's meant here.

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  • bsaul  6 years ago

    Or maybe it's just the hard truth (which wouldn't be surprising considering the valuation of Apple and Mozilla respectively)