Comment by jcranmer
5 years ago
Technology isn't a complete panacea, but humans in general are highly adaptable. History seems to indicate that innovation is the most common outcome of Malthusian catastrophes, so it seems more than reasonable to me to ask that anyone arguing for a Malthusian catastrophe needs to also argue why innovation is not going to again be the outcome.
> Technology isn't a complete panacea, but humans in general are highly adaptable. History seems to indicate...
The most critical processes for human success - population growth - is an exponential process. Pretty much all of it happened in the age of fossil fuels. We have 200 years (out of 200,000 of human history according to Wikipedia) of experience with global populations >1 billion and we are currently cruising at about 8 billion souls on the planet. All of that 200 years is in the context of freely available and rapidly growing utilisation of fossil fuels to power the logistics networks enabling the growth.
History doesn't show us being adaptable, history shows if something happens to the solid/liquid carbon supply around 7/8 of us are expected to die. And we can statistically all-but guarantee something will sooner or later over a long period.
Our major reason to be hopeful is our history isn't a guide and that something other than oil really makes strides. Maybe nuclear, maybe renewables.
> History doesn't show us being adaptable, history shows if something happens to the solid/liquid carbon supply around 7/8 of us are expected to die.
I disagree. Look at the pandemic response here vs. the Spanish flu, or the Bubonic plague.
We also have plenty of alternate energy sources to diversify our power infrastructure, and many nations are taking these steps. The past few decades have been a series of lessons on the importance of resilience over efficiency, and we're slowly learning this lesson.
If you're not terrified at the Western response to the Coronavirus, you're not paying attention.
The low systemic risk events we are living through now, prove that the Emperor is naked. An event that produces moderate to serious systemic shocks would be our DOOM.
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But looking back at our history, one should also keep in mind that it did take hundreds of years for Europe to recover from the fall of the Roman Empire.
'Innovation will fix things eventually' is cold comfort for the generations of people living in the interim.
Yes. But why? Multiple episodes of 'the Plague' and climate swings (probably caused by volcanic eruptions somewhere else).
edit: I mean, look at what is happening now. All sorts of disruptions because of some sneezery (regardless of real or imagined danger, it's the policy that matters). Now imagine further disruptions by volcanic ash particles and gases in the atmosphere. So F-ed!