Comment by handoflixue

6 years ago

I've worked plenty of union jobs that didn't have this problem. Like the original comment said: yes, some unions are bad. But it's ridiculous to pretend they're all like what you dealt with.

But it's also ridiculous to pretend they're all rainbows and sunshine, too. Some people have valid reasons for not wanting to be part of a union, and some people have valid reasons for wanting to be part of a union. Dismissing either group is wrong.

  • I think the difference is in the US there is a strong history of busting up unions specifically to disempower workers.

    There absolutely are legitimate reasons to not want to join a union.

    However, “both sides can be right” so to speak, whitewashes (word chosen deliberately) away the historical fact and current reality of systemic suppression of and propaganda against union organizing by US workers.

    • "busting up unions specifically to disempower workers."

      Let us review GM.

      They knew they needed to cut down product, would the union let them?

      They knew they needed automation as their labour costs are too high.

      The union position was always the same, use the profits from some cars to subsidize the losses from others. How long can that go on for when you continue to lose marketshare?

      Their pension is a mess as fewer and fewer workers are supporting it.

      Or, you can review Daewoo motors (sold to GM).

      The banks flat out told them to cut costs or no loans and they would go bankrupt. Did the unions agree to anything?

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