Comment by dijit
6 years ago
No doubt about that.
I’m just arguing that the concept is fine, and the implementation is corrupted. Removing the corruption would be great but the issue is not the concept itself.
6 years ago
No doubt about that.
I’m just arguing that the concept is fine, and the implementation is corrupted. Removing the corruption would be great but the issue is not the concept itself.
No, the concept is different in the US. It's conceptually not the same as an EU union.
If you think EU unions are great - then you'll need to first educate American union advocates about what they're doing wrong.
What if the concept is what leads to the corruption?
E.g. communism.
Im for unions, it beats the current situation, but im weary of the sales pitch.
But there are non-corrupt unions in other countries?
Even some in the US as some commentators have suggested (Screen Actors Guild being one)
Sure, there are non-corrupt unions in some other countries, the question is however how much % of them are not corrupt.
So? I didnt say it forces you to be corrupt, i said it may lead to that.
The "sales pitch" that is relevant here is the one put forth by the DoD and their enormously powerful SIGs for the last 75 years, namely "unions = communism" and "communism = bad".
As much as I would like to believe that there is a massive pro-working-class institution in the US that can afford to spend billions per annum on under-the-table PR/propaganda campaigns to shill collective action, it just isn't the case. The MIC on the other hand... putting those socialized taxpayer dollars to work against the evil working class (around the world).
I dont understand whats the pentagons propaganda machine got to do with me?
Not american.
Ps, i was not saying communism == unions. Thats fucking retarded on so many levels.
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Are you arguing that unions lead to communism? While Europe has a rich weave of social-democratic governments, that would hardly constitute communism. In fact, I'd daresay actual communist parties in Europe with any real power are a distinct rarity.
No,my point was that certain power structures encourage corruption.
Hell maybe they all do. Maybe that is why modern day democracy actually works (checks and balances) and has very little to do with comunism vs capitalism.
Socialism is a step towards communism. Unions taking quite a lot of power from the owners of companies is any a way abolition of private property.