Comment by sanmon3186
6 years ago
This ban is primarily to satiate anti-China sentiment.
The global economy is too interwined with China. No country can afford to put a blanket ban on things that matter, without a viable plan-B.
6 years ago
This ban is primarily to satiate anti-China sentiment.
The global economy is too interwined with China. No country can afford to put a blanket ban on things that matter, without a viable plan-B.
Overnight, I agree. But I think the decoupling will happen. The outsourcing to China took about 10 years (mid 90s to mid 2000s). It will likely not take a lot longer to decouple. 10y is very rapid.
We in the U.S. should have partnered more closely with India in the first place. India is democratic and hold values closer to our own. The CCP not so much.
International Partnerships are not based on values or Democracy/*cracy. China moved to market based economy earlier then India and being an autocratic country the move was swift and efficient. US wanted to befriend China against Russia in 70s/80s. India started late and kept struggling internally because of the democratic values.
If values were such important, Saudis wouldn't have been your best buddies.
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I completely agree, my understanding of why the US did not is due to India's ties with the Soviet Union and Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Russia_relations
Would love to hear more detail from those who know more on the subject.
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More democratic than China, yes. A low bar to clear.
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I believe the shift to this is already happening.
That's perhaps why China is getting a bit more cocky
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India is controlled by a fascist, ethnonationalist party that has encouraged pogroms toward Muslims and enshrined racial hierarchies into law. They haven’t put Muslims in concentration camps, like the CCP, but I hope our “values” don’t get any closer to their leadership.
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> India is democratic and hold values closer to our own.
Especially in terms of mixing religion and politics and right-wing based supremacy views.
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Yup. US should have partnered with India as the largest functioning democracy. But that was 50 years back. Last 6 years though, there is a clear challenge to democracy from right wing and fascist groups. Eerily similar to what happened in pre-Nazi Germany. This decade will tell us if democracy will survive.
Uncritical alliance or support will only strengthen the anti-democratic forces. The govt is very interested in stoking anger against an external force (china) to divert serious failures in handling covid crisis. It had adopted the same strategy using pakistan or muslims as the bogey man several times in the recent past.
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I agree, however India has a bureaucracy that makes running and starting businesses over there extremely difficult. As well as aggressive tariffs and Byzantine legal processes. China can be a difficult place, but nothing seems to approach India when it comes to paperwork and the dismal speed at which things get done.
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De coupling with Chinese economy is good for India in the long run.
This is the first step.
India should engage more with democracies.
What democracies do you think are capable of meeting India's vast demand for consumer goods? Anything in the developed world is going to be prohibitively expensive. Anything outside is most likely a "democracy" just in name, or already within China's sphere of influence.
The trade alliance with China has been materially good to Indians. We've been able to afford more goods at cheaper rates. While we should try and move things back home, it's not going to happen overnight.
In the meantime, a population that was already struggling with income inequality, wage stagnation, unemployment and even growing poverty will see its material wealth slip further.
You have to start somewhere, this is a starting point.
It's better than just raising the hands and saying that it cannot be done.
If we walk into the past a little in 2000 world is not intertwined with China, and very likely 2040 world is not intertwined with China.
If only people read about PBOC, CNY/CNH and how currency is a political tool within China, you realize they have successfully exploited the "free market" impulse to effectively use state capitalism and dumping to create the world we are in Today.
Just because the supply chains got complex and intertwined with China does not mean it will that way forever -- it is going to be a painful 5 - 10 years, just like the ramp up, the tear down will take time.
And yet, China bans foreign apps.
God forbid other countries give China a taste of their own medicine.