Comment by bradleyjg
4 years ago
Expel the students and fire the professor. That will demonstrate their commitment to high ethical standards.
4 years ago
Expel the students and fire the professor. That will demonstrate their commitment to high ethical standards.
Or fire the IRB people who approved it, and the professor(s) who should've known better. Expelling students seems a bit unfair IMO.
The students do need a bit of punishment - they are adults who chose to act this way. In this context though, switching their advisor and requiring a different research track would be sufficient - that's a lot of work down the drain and a hard lesson. I agree that expulsion would be unfair - (assuming good faith scholarship) the advisor/student relationship is set up so that the students can learn to research effectively (which includes ethically) with guidance from a trusted researcher at a trusted institution. If the professor suggests or OKs a plan, it is reasonable for the students to believe it is a acceptable course of action.
If the student blatantly lied about why and how he made those commits then that’s grounds for expulsion though.
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The student doubled down on his unethical behavior by writing that his victim was “making wild accusations that are bordering on slander.”
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.
You are mixing up two students. The one who complained about "bordering on slander" had nothing to do with the research paper at issue, other than having the same advisor as the author.
I agree in this case the driver of the behavior seems to be the professor, but graduate researchers are informed about ethical research and there many ways students alone can cause harm through research potentially beyond the supervision of the university and even professor. It's usually much more neglible than this, but everyone has a responsibility in abiding by ethical norms.
Dunking on individual maintainers for academic bragging rights seems pretty unfair, too.
Expelling the students seem overkill - they have advisors that should be fired for allowing it to happen