Comment by nicce
4 years ago
> What apple is creating here is an avenue for the FBI/NSA/Alphabet agency to create a FISA warrant and NDL to mandate hits on anything. The argument its gotta be pre-icloud upload or subject to manual review or on some arbitrary threshold is something is just the marketing to get the public to accept it.
Why would they make things even more complicated with limited access, since they can already access everything in cloud? Let’s leave out the argument for expanding scan to whole device. If that is what happens, then people start really discarding their phones.
Well for one scanning on-device lets them expand the amount of stuff they search for without an impact on their servers.
We can all assume they will eventually start scanning for more things than just photos only before they are sent to iCloud. It can easily and _silently_ be expanded to be any file on the phone.
You can do silently every imaginable thing right now. iOS is not exactly open-source system.
Except that right now thy don't have a plausible reason to be scanning things, and any indication of something like that happening without prior expectation would be an even bigger deal than this is. Setting the expectation that this is acceptable is how you hide overstepping and abuse.
Just because my neighbor physically can run out and physically attack me every time he sees me exit my house isn't a valid defense of him running out and verbally abusing and threatening me every time I leave, not is it a valid excuse not to worry about it escalating to that.
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Because they dont have access to everything in the cloud.You dont have to use iCloud, or Siri, or Spotlight.
This was specifically addressed in the San Benadino and other cases. Apple gave the FBI everything in the cloud. FBI was looking for everything on the device.
What this change does is all a method, without an opt out option, for them to scan for anything on the device. Be it a string of text/keywords, or certain pictures of a place with certain metadata etc.
This is just speculation. Current technical implementation limits scan only for images to be uploaded into cloud, which can be opted. If you don’t trust that, you can’t trust to use their devices right now either.
That seems like a reach.
>Current technical implementation limits scan only for images to be uploaded into cloud, which can be opted.
That is conflating policy with a technical limitation. Their changes negate the technical discussion at this point.
Their POLICY is that it will only scan for images to be uploaded. They no longer have a *legal* argument to not comply with government requests for device scanning of any data now, since the framework is now included.
That is a big change in that regard. Whereas in the past there was a layer of trust that Apple would hold governments accountable and push back on behalf of a users privacy (and there is a very tangible history there), this implementation creates a gaping hole in that argument.
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