Comment by croutonwagon

4 years ago

Because they dont have access to everything in the cloud.You dont have to use iCloud, or Siri, or Spotlight.

This was specifically addressed in the San Benadino and other cases. Apple gave the FBI everything in the cloud. FBI was looking for everything on the device.

What this change does is all a method, without an opt out option, for them to scan for anything on the device. Be it a string of text/keywords, or certain pictures of a place with certain metadata etc.

This is just speculation. Current technical implementation limits scan only for images to be uploaded into cloud, which can be opted. If you don’t trust that, you can’t trust to use their devices right now either.

  • That seems like a reach.

    >Current technical implementation limits scan only for images to be uploaded into cloud, which can be opted.

    That is conflating policy with a technical limitation. Their changes negate the technical discussion at this point.

    Their POLICY is that it will only scan for images to be uploaded. They no longer have a *legal* argument to not comply with government requests for device scanning of any data now, since the framework is now included.

    That is a big change in that regard. Whereas in the past there was a layer of trust that Apple would hold governments accountable and push back on behalf of a users privacy (and there is a very tangible history there), this implementation creates a gaping hole in that argument.

    • Actually it is not just POLICY. This scanning is build very deeeep in to the iCloud upload process. They need huge revamp for the system, and it seems intentional just because of this speculation. So we are in the same discussion whether this is implemented or not.

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