Comment by geofft

4 years ago

Eh, I think this framing discounts the fact that sober moderation and extremism tend to be present in every human endeavor, and have always been. Some people make their country's traditional food on holidays; some people garb themselves in flags and yell at immigrants. Some people went to Chopin concerts and went home peacefully; others succumbed to Lizstomania. Some people fought wars with chivalry and granted a dignified surrender to their enemies; some massacred and pillaged.

I don't think there's anything "modern" (or religious) about the fact that there's a wide range of opinions on how to treat others.

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Woodi  4 years ago

You describing "normal case" - when there is harm to poor pets or even (only sometimes) humans there is natural need for action. And probably it is most usual case.

But we living in modern or /post+/ modern times. When there is knowledge about natural reactions then someone can do meta-action - abuse knowledge for some purpose. Like ad-business do all the time. Like politicans do. Or like seduction manuals describe. Heck, what sects do, there is even term "conventional brainwashing" !

And that "fake" activism have scale too - from personal to goverment and intelligence services doings.

So with humans knowledge and intelligence progression everyone should be caution for "mixed signals". Or just common scams like "Nigerian prince want your help" or "grandson in troubles".

Or "Green Party care for ecology" - actually brings anarchy to your country and such "activists" just look for easy living from "donations". Or even actively supporting some businesses, like described in that sub-thread...

But yes, there was a better times when captured soldiers give a word that they do not escape and they hold to it. Sometimes even they was allowed to keep theirs saber while being captured. But that natural honesty ended with communism in Russia and spreaded almost everywhere else.

Also there is strange following of ways of looser that as idol had other murderous idol (looser too), Machiavelli...

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And here are my gripes with psychology - useless like reading/writing before common education. People fall to sects where there are well know mechanism how they work and psychologians are straight guilty of neglecting to protect very often most volnerable parts of our societes, like kids. Big words but psychology basics should be learned in basic schools, IMO. Sadly psychologians are too busy with pushing bullshit on all fronts... Or making money from wasting time on listening or straight "improving" sport performances... Or deeppening movie scenarios.

O, btw: you hear about that "Maslow Pyramid" ? Someone even wrote how to apply it to software projects ! Looks damn usefull to explain eg. how poor peoples behave and how to help or self-help in such situations. But you know what ? I talked once to psychologian about Maslow pyramid and imagine my surprise when she look strangely on me and say: but, but modular programming is outdated ! Yep, exactly like this just insert Maslow Pyramid there... And modularity comes from 60's, predates very outdated "structural programming"... And such is psychologians lag in helping others.