Comment by glouwbug

3 years ago

Do you have more on this philosophy of being good? I’m interested

I think that's a reference to the Greek notion of Arete.

To be a good person didn't mean moral good, or excellence in one area like art - it meant being a great as an "all round person who lived their life to the full and exercised all human powers". The art of being a great _person_. You didn't have to be amazing at any one thing but, for a Greek citizen one should able to:

Farm, hunt and cook a good meal

Master a sword or bow

Sail a boat and run a race

Tell a good story, write a poem

Make love well

Climb a mountain

Do math or argue philosophy

Care for the old and young

Tell a convincing lie

You get the idea. Today we are highly specialised creatures, pallid by comparison. We get others (services) to do most of our real living for us, so we can concentrate on specialised wage slavery and use the money to buy back vicarious living under the heading of "leisure".

Notice my last example - which illustrates the this excellence is separate from any moral conceit of the "good person".

  • This is the Greek concept of a polymath. Also mentioned by Robert Heinlein in Time Enough For Love:

    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

  • TBH that kind of sounds like a notion that would have been held by somebody with a lot of leisure time. I can't imagine that your average dairy farmer would have been particularly good at swords, math, or poetry.

Unfortunately I don't have a direct reference for you, but I'm pretty sure Aristotle talks a bit about this sort of idea in The Nichomachean Ethics. Something like "be a good human in the sense that a tree or a machine is good". To him, contributing to ones community and participating in (Athenian) politics is the highest good for the learned person.