Comment by duxup
4 years ago
The SPA meta discussion is so tiring.
The bemoaning of them in absolute terms is absurd. The examples of "here is an app with a few lines of javascript so you don't need an SPA" / "I wrote my blog without using a framework" is even more absurd. And the more complex "just server side render it then" is a hell of "idea guy who doesn't have to do the thing" problem.
The whole ordeal is now more drama and than worthwhile IMO, and I don't think anyone reading this stuff is making these decisions.
What is tiring is this middle ground fallacy.
Yes, sure, for some things SPAs are appropriate.
That in no way negates the fact that the ratio of "justified use : poor use" is probably 1 : 10. It is a widespread, serious problem that deserves to be continually called out.
yea I agree, you should pick the right tool for the job but SPAs are probably overused
Well we're talking about an HN submission here with a loading icon... there's not a lot of insight here.
I don't know what you mean by middle ground fallacy when "Yes, sure, for some things SPAs are appropriate." is pretty much what I'm saying too.
I don't buy into your numbers if only because I have zero clue where they come from.
> I don't know what you mean by middle ground fallacy when "Yes, sure, for some things SPAs are appropriate." is pretty much what I'm saying too.
I'm saying "Overuse of SPAs has reached comical proportions. That doesn't mean there is no legitmate uses for them."
You're saying (correct me if I'm wrong): "Hey, SPAs are right for some things, wrong for others. Why bother talking about it?"
One acknowledges a huge problem, while the other claims the problem is overblown.
> I don't buy into your numbers if only because I have zero clue where they come from
Honestly the proportion is probably much higher than 10:1, but the numbers are not based on research. They come from my personal experience of observing that most landing pages and simple CRUD apps these days are written using SPA frameworks. Based on my personal experience, it seems like it is the majority. It's possible there is some selection bias based on my browsing habits, but I don't get that sense.
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"I feel so validated and seen now that people are writing plain HTML again... with a build script, multiple CDNs, automated SSL certificates, load balancers..."
eye roll
Fair enough, but the beatings must continue until the attitudes improve.
It's the only way.
Some blog is posted here. The site happens to be a SPA. Most of the comments are about Javascript being bad, not about the content. The blog or site authors don't even know it's being discussed on HN. What does this accomplish?
I'm guessing you didn't click the link.
The "content" was a forever-spinning "Loading" animation. To say something about how SPAs are sometimes really broken. It was a joke.
I made a joke about how developers need to be beaten.
The frog is now fully dissected.