Comment by smcl

I think people think that's "marketing".

Unfortunately that's needed nowadays to succeed. Java, Rust and many other would not be successful without standing on the shoulders of its big lies

> Remember, the competition between various younger languages has become a bit fierce and dirty.

As someone who works full time on one relatively young language, has created a couple more, and knows people working on many others, this is 100% wrong in my personal experience.

Most young language teams work very hard to communicate accurately and to set appropriate expectations because they know that user trust is a hard requirement for adoption.

V is the outlier here.

Every evaluation in my blog is fully reproducible from the version of V I linked to and I've included all the source code used as well. My post stands on it's own.

Instead of insinuating I'm some kind of competitor or have a personal agenda, I would encourage you to respond to the actual points raised in my post.

You say it "comes off as part of an effort ... to mount another attack". Maybe it does to you, but I don't know why. I've never heard of this "fierce and dirty" competition between young languages. I've never seen anything even a bit like that. I've only seen fierce fighting between advocates of large well-established languages.

Xe's post struck me as accurate at the time, and having that context to compare with makes V look a little better now, because it at least establishes that progress is being made towards those claims.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that this is based on some kind of sinister "personal agenda" other than "this thing sounds interesting, I investigated it, it seems less cool now", which is a pretty defensible position for someone to reach.

You are not doing yourself any favor by harassing people, if anything it makes you look like a fan-boy. Do yourself a favor, read the article then present a constructive criticism, if any.

> I see though that V supports closures. What are the rules for shadowing variables in closures?

    fn main() {
        x := 1
        y := fn (x int) {
            println(x)
        }
        y(x)
        y(2)
    }

I am not sure I follow - the `x` parameter for the anonymous function, is entirely different, than the `x` in the main function. For me, there is no way for it to be confused with the `x` inside main.

... y := fn [x] (x int) { println(x) } ...

> Well, that seems like it should be disallowed. It makes sense that x can be captured but to then shadow the argument with the same name without error or warning doesn’t seem inline with the rest of V’s behavior.

I see what you mean now, yes, that does seem like another good issue candidate. Filed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31794565

Name, at least that's my interpretation from looking at her Contact Me page:

> Copyright 2012-2022 Xe Iaso (Christine Dodrill).

https://xeiaso.net/contact

[correction] on their GitHub page I see: Please call me (order of preference): Xe/xer, They/them or She/her please.

[edit] obscure to have your pronoun also be your name (or maybe your title?). Or maybe it is all just satire, given: "I am an ordained minister with the Church of the Latter-day Dude. This allows me to officiate religious ceremonies in at least the United States." - https://dudeism.com

Who gives. Just use 'they' or 'them', or whatever. It is a universal catch all, gender neutral, i18n inclusivity conformant, ISO 69420 compliant, race neutral, etc.

At this point, all of it is basically designed to further confuse and only create a very monthly chaotic outcome for everyone.

Why not both?

Indeed! I even mentioned this in my "Rules of engagement" section:

> Features indicated to be incomplete/work in progress/unimplemented will be mentioned as such.

Indicating on the vlang.io homepage how much of the language has yet to be realized would go a long way in my opinion.

> Andy Kelly (a "competitor") criticized the author's behavior, but he's also gone silent on the topic of V because of the vitriol he encountered

AFAIK your stated reason for the silence is not accurate. Andy’s criticisms were always based on V making claims that no one could evaluate because it was closed source/unreleased (and then used those claims to solicit money from people). Once V was made open source, those criticisms no longer applied, as things like TFA could be written.

Financial supporter of V here. I don't feel scammed or misled at all. So keep speaking for yourself with the imaginary money you did not donate nor lose.

No scamming coming here whatsoever. And this is coming from a LONG TERM patron/donor.

you heard wrong, it's been delivering quite well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmB8ea8uLsM

no one has been scammed, whatever that means in opensource development

Can you list the false claims here? 1. 2. 3.

Shouldn't be hard, if "most claims" are false according to you.

100% right. It's sick. As a donor and supporter of this VALIANT AND VALID effort, I applaud the V community. It's full of sincere passion, love and is putting forth a great effort to realize something useful and needed in this sector.