Comment by lifthrasiir
3 years ago
Ductaped languages can be extremely useful though (cf. PHP). But extraordinary claims were what failed V and---sadly and contrary to my remaining hope---continue to do so.
3 years ago
Ductaped languages can be extremely useful though (cf. PHP). But extraordinary claims were what failed V and---sadly and contrary to my remaining hope---continue to do so.
Ductaped languages usually exist because they served some specific need, become popular and then evolved from there. PHP is the perfect example.
They were not "clean sheet, let's make a great new language" implementations.
PHP was already ductaped at the point of PHP/FI 2 [1], when it became more or less a proper programming language. PHP survived despite its ductape nature.
[1] https://www.php.net/manual/phpfi2.php
Can you list here the extraordinary claims that failed please.
Read correctly; I said extraordinary claims failed V. But the other reading doesn't seem to paint a pretty picture anyway. Every point made in the original article is a reasonable expectation by outsiders, and many of them are still unsatisfactory ("failed claims" if you like).
What you should do now is to decide what to do with those points instead of arguing. If the decision is WONTFIX (okay to do, not everything can be made into the language) then the advertisement should be updated (ProTip: you should really have done this years ago). If the decision is to do something with that then the advertisement should be still updated, hopefully with a link to the tracking issue. If you are already doing something about that then you still should have a link to the tracking issue. If the point is "misleading", then you should write out clearly why it's misleading, how the author could have concluded in that way (i.e. assume no malice and debug instead), and how to verify your updated claim. With no strings attached.
Honestly though these points have been iterated and reiterated years ago. I had a hope that you have learned (hard) from that past experience; my hope seems not justified.
Can you elaborate how language features failed V? And what claims were extraordinary?
Like the language compiling itself in <1s? It's true and you can verify it yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvP6wmcl_Sc
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