Comment by mgdlbp

3 years ago

The Scots Wikipedia issue isn't straightforward at all. For one, considering the sheer effort spent in 170 000 edits over a decade, it's quite possible that the editor was acting in severely misguided good faith. More importantly, it raised questions about the utility and proceedings of Wikimedia sites with low traffic; a substantial discussion took place in an RFC[0] that included proposed audits to prevent future incidents, but nothing really went through other than increased attention to the long-existing Small-Wiki Monitoring Team. And the off-wiki effects...poisoned datasets and damage to the language itself!

Perhaps proposals from the RFC will be renewed in light of this, though it's not the same situation as the Chinese Wikipedia isn't really small. It's known for questionable circumstances regarding adminship and other user behaviour, though, and is generally quite insular. So, unsurprising that this story hasn't received much attention outside of Chinese Wikipedia or news. On-wiki, the only pages for it currently are that on zhwiki and a corresponding page on English Wikipedia with a brief summary.[1]

Also, enwiki's own newspaper has a more informed article on the Scots incident,[2] also with some discussion (there's also an HN post). By the way, I remember an article or Wikipedia page about how journalism about Wikipedia persistently lacks nuance or understanding of its customs (basically a community-wide Gell-Mann amnesia effect), but can't find it now...anyone happen to just know it?

[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Large_s...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fabricated_articles_...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2...

Media reporting on Wikipedia (with few exceptions, like Stephen Harrison on Slate) generally consists in regurgitating Wikimedia press releases. So issues like Wikimedia's dodgy fundraising practices that could do with investigative journalism for example often fall by the wayside:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2...

I and some others from the Signpost, the English Wikipedia's community newspaper, gave a presentation at the 2015 WikiConference about the lack of good Wikipedia journalism:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Journalism_and_the_o...

> and damage to the language itself!

What could this mean? Sometimes people do talk about the health of a language, but that almost exclusively refers to the number of living speakers.