Comment by soneca

3 years ago

> ”And personally, I greatly prefer this sort of frank talk to run-of-the-mill generic PR speak that usually comes from CEO interviews.”

There is this desire for “authenticity” in the current zeitgeist. You see it everywhere, but mostly in how the crowds love people like Trump and Elon Musk.

I think this is an understandable reaction from being lied a lot by polite PR-trained people. Politicians and businesspeople mostly.

But I think there are two very relevant types of bias that people who praises this apparent authenticity:

1 - Thinking people who use an aggressive, unapologetic tone do not lie. They do lie. I see no evidence that they lie less than “polite” people. The thing is that the mainstream is smaller and much much less dominant than it was decades ago. So you can get away offending a lot of people, because there will still be a lot of people left that will adore you. So you can use unapologetic tone that offend a group of people. It pays to offend a group, as long it is not your group. It gives you credit to lie to your group without getting caught.

2 - Thinking polite people are always lying. The other side of the coin. We see so many PR-trained people lying emulating polite people that we start to equal politeness to insincerity. But a lot of people are genuinely polite, considerate and kind. They tell the truth and try not to offend anyone.

These biases, equaling offensive tone to authenticity is, I believe, a misleading and dangerous way to see the world. You use a flawed heuristic that leads you to believe in liers while bragging you are avoiding liers.

I think there is another angle to it beyond Truth vs lying.

There is also content and clarity. A lot of generic PR speak is devoid of actual content, it doesn't mean anything.

In this example, he is making a clear claim, like it or not. There is no ambiguity or double speak.

I think a lot of people are willing to tolerate disagreement and even lying if it is done in simple language opposed to evasion.

If you disagree, you know it. If they are lying, it is also clear because their statements aren't stuffed full of weasel words.

  • I find that sort of ironic because Unity's very own press release, in which they announced this merger was stuffed with some of the most vapid and nonsensical PR bullshit phrases I have ever seen.

    As in, they couldn't even get out a straight line about what ironSource's actual product is.

    • What exactly is Ironic?

      To be clear, I was making a comment and speculating on the publics attraction to blunt language.

      It seems like you are agreeing with me - you are sick of vapid and nonsensical PR bullshit.

      I don't think anyone is in favor of the PR bullshit, except the people who hide behind it.

      Wouldn't you prefer something more direct?

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Very nice thinking regarding ultra popular folks like Musk.

However, IMO it doesnt hold truth for others which risk rage and clearing from insulted. Insulting people is always risky buisiness but if you want to show that you give a shit that shouldnt stop you.

I pesonally dont like to work with polite people very much because I know they always euphemize the truth. Some things are so shitty that if you frame it in polite way you simply lie.

Those are very fair points, and I agree.

For me personally, authenticity is more about choosing to speak vs. laying low on certain topics.

Sure you can still lie when you speak to it, but at least you're being truthful on your desire to express.

  • You can lie..but at least you're being truthful?!?!

    Care to enlighten me on how to achieve this?

    • It's more about reacting to being called a liar, I think. React with evasions or moving goalposts, and people will think you're a slimeball trying to fool them, even if you're not. Double down and stick to your guns, and people will respect you, even if they think you're an idiot, a liar, or batshit insane.

Very well put, Sir!!

Sorry to see the new generation falling for these con-artists.

My humble advice as a nobody is look at things objectively and understand that words have unintended consequences so make a conscious effort to not insult others.