Comment by akira2501
3 years ago
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the technology, and it obviously makes peoples lives better to have it. I think the issue is that there are only a handful of vendors that happily operate like the monopolies they are and provide you with zero differentiation or choice within the market.
The government isn't particularly interested in ending this problem either, I suspect this is due to a combination of industry capture and intelligence agency interest in these products.
> There's absolutely nothing wrong with the technology
Oh, but there is. It's subservient to the manufacturer, not to you.
I'm still annoyed that no country decided to classify "selling" things where the manufacturer keeps complete control and denies you access as fraud. But just because no legal system decided it's a crime, it doesn't mean it's right.
You say there is nothing wrong, but then go on to list things that are in fact wrong.
You think the problems are a mistake or otherwise something to be "fixed" the products are working exactly as both the government and the manufacturers want them to, and it has nothing to do with "intel agencies"
Having your entire life "cloud connected" and them complaining about privacy, is like opening a window then complaining that the house is drafty.
I love home automation, not a single component of my home automation is cloud connected, if more people would accept, learn and support non-cloud systems, services and protocols everyone would be better off
> You say there is nothing wrong, but then go on to list things that are in fact wrong.
They say there is nothing wrong with the technology, but then go on to list things that are in fact wrong with the not-technology.
No they ignore the problems with technology ( unencrypted cloud connection / data storage, or lack of zero knowledge systems ) and move the problem to political or other realms.
The problem with the technology is it allows the company, political power, or police to access the data with out user permission, that is a technological problem, belief that just passing the correct laws to resolve this technology problem defy's recorded history and logic
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> I love home automation, not a single component of my home automation is cloud connected, if more people would accept, learn and support non-cloud systems, services and protocols everyone would be better off
Off cloud in this case pretty clearly implies "not on somebody elses cloud where they can access it".
You can still have off site backups and recordings on an innumerable count of hosting or storage solutions, encrypted with your own keys.
>>how do you prevent a violent home invasion or burglary where the first thing they do is at gunpoint force you to show them where your server is so they can disconnect/destroy it?
I would love to see a source of this being a common tactic of thieves, home invasion in general are extremely rare as most thieves are cowards and want to attack soft targets i.e unoccupied homes. Then of the home invasions I am aware of, I know of ZERO where the "first thing they did" was force the homeowner to show them the location of the storage server.
Even if that is a "common occurrence" which I doubt, what stops a home invader from cutting off the internet before the attack? and many of these cloud connected cams are wifi, there are several very easy attack vectors to knock them offline. I think your strawman is weak and easily defeated in a number of ways
>>> better if you could please provide links to how-to starter guides on how to do this
Some of the Technology I use, or sources I visit to look for new things
https://www.home-assistant.io/
https://unraid.net/
https://blueirissoftware.com/
https://tailscale.com/
https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/
https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
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