Comment by Dalewyn
3 years ago
>Are you seriously telling me these billion dollar corporations can't manage to get in contact with some popular distribution's maintainers and work something out?
Nope, because those Linux distros aren't making them any worthwhile money while sending over far too many worthless end-user complaints.
If Linux neckbeards truly want to realize the Year of the Linux Desktop, they have to accept how the rest of the world at large works and play by those rules. It's how Android obtained mainstream success despite being Linux, and it's something any other Linux distro can do if they ditched the neckbeard pride.
Or to put it another way: The vast majority of computer users don't care about free-as-in-freedom or open-as-in-auditable source code. The only thing users care about is getting shit done. All other operating systems, including Android, understand and respect this. It's only Linux that chooses to be either willingly naive or in denial.
>If Linux neckbeards truly want to realize the Year of the Linux Desktop, they have to accept how the rest of the world at large works and play by those rules.
Firstly, name-calling does not help in getting your point across.
The opposite argument could easily be made. What would be the point of the "year of the Linux desktop" if Linux is not substantially different from other OSes in the way it treats its users? That's why nobody is celebrating the "era of the Linux palmtop" with Android.
Linux makes different trade-offs from those made by the commercial OSes. The diversity is valuable. That's not to say there isn't room for improvement, but I would be pretty bummed if Linux lost what makes it different.
Linux is more than likely suited for a different sector of the computing market than the desktop, considering its endless failures to breakthrough (Android aside) and the unchanging and fundamentally incompatible-with-desktop ideologies held by the neckbeards who really run the whole show.
The point I want to convey is not so much that Linux should change (though as a desktop user I certainly wouldn't mind), but that anyone within Linux who complains about How The World Is Wrong(tm) needs to wake up from their freedom-infused obsession and smell reality. The rest of the desktop world functions fine, so if it's only Linux that Just Can't(tm) then the problem is Linux.
> Linux is more than likely suited for a different sector of the computing market than the desktop, considering its endless failures to breakthrough
Linux has suited me very well as a desktop for 10+ years. (I'm aware it is probably not suitable for every person or use case.)
To maintain the health of the Linux desktop(s), we do need to be open to new people and ideas from outside. But Linux is, and should remain, different from proprietary OSes. Otherwise, what is the point?
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Back to the insults again,
Linux is working fine for those who want to use it as such. No neckbeard owes a 'fuckstain' rest of the world a god damn thing.
Actually the only thing Linux Android has is the kernel, nothing on userspace APIs exposes them to app developers.
Any access to Linux subsystems or syscalls on Android, work as matter of luck on specific devices, or is an area Google isn't yet enforcing Android security userspace rules.
> It's how Android obtained mainstream success despite being Linux, and it's something any other Linux distro can do if they ditched the neckbeard pride.
They can do it, but it’s not guaranteed/unlikely to lead to mainstream success. Android had a multi billion dollar corporation behind it, and likely needed that to succeed.
Another Linux distro that freezes its ABI and supports commercial software distribution likely would be irrelevant until it got hundreds of millions of users, and getting there is a big challenge.