Comment by helf
3 years ago
Amazes me the number of people who cry foul when something like this occurs. “Waaa censorship! This is evil! The internet is collapsing! Omg!”
1. Archive.org probably has just disallowed access. Not outright purged.
2. Shit drops off the internet literally every day
3. It’s a site full of edgelord incels who have a history of being complete pieces of shit
4. This isn’t a precursor to some horrible dystopian future of corporate control of thoughts!!111 that happened long ago ;)
Seriously though. All the panty twisting “oh noooo” wreaks of disingenuous bullshit under the guise of “but freedoms!”
You don’t have to leave the entirety of the content up to gauge it.
I mean, do you want TWBM to archive and leave up all childporn sites it accidentally crawls or similar? So individuals can gauge if it’s /actually/ bad or if it’s just a handful of twitter users squawking?
C’mon.
This isn't "shit dropping" off of the net.. This was the result of a true harassment campaign that finally resulted in a faux appeal to danger to literally force a completely legal site offline via illegal DDoS attack. (The stated goal of the media cheered campaign) And now an attempt to erase it's history.
You're right that it isn't a precursor to some horrible dystopian future of corporate control.. because it is actually that already! The internet is now broken. Another level of infrastructure (now basic network infrastructure) is open to tantrumers, PR etc veto!
> a true harassment campaign
People protesting a company is not "harassment". (Disclaimer: I'm an investor in Cloudflare)
> a faux appeal to danger
Law enforcement has been involved.
> a completely legal site
Yeah, no, at best it's in the black part of a very grey area until the slow US legal system catches up with the case.
> via illegal DDoS attack
Their various hosts dropped them. One of those hosts happened to also do DDoS protection, but that part is irrelevant if they have nowhere to host their website.
My advice to you: Stop browsing this type of forum. The brain rot via propaganda and misinformation is real. KF is not a victim. A bully is not a "victim" when their targets defend themselves.
If you rob me and I get you arrested after reporting you to the police, you're not the victim of a society ostracizing you, you're the perpetrator of crimes society doesn't tolerate. Quit hanging out with perpetrators.
I think kiwi farms should be taken offline because it’s a horrible site. What good is there in taking down the archive of it? Having archives of trump’s tweets was important after his twitter was removed so we could see what was there. There’s a difference between allowing people to use the site/post, and having a record of what was there.
They've documented various criminals, pedophiles, and rapists, such as child abuser Nick Bate:
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/columbia-man-jailed-u...
https://archive.ph/Kmu6p
They've extensively documented actual alt-right figures such as neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes, who they consider one of their "lolcows." They also followed and recorded the activity of accused rapist Christine (formerly Christopher) Weston Chandler, the original "lolcow", though several users interacted with Chris over the years in ways that may have contributed to his/her decline:
https://lawandcrime.com/crime/sonichu-creator-has-been-arres...
They also discovered and documented Isabella Janke, allegedly the person most responsible for convincing Christine to abuse her mother, among other allegations:
https://archive.ph/3Ev0l
This truth of these allegations will likely come out at at Christine's upcoming trial, assuming enough evidence was preserved. Incidentally, Isabella's father Mike Janke has a professional relationship with Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1wio7sDDBA
By removing records of KF, we cannot prove the acts done on KF. You know, evidence, the thing you need to know if something is true or not. Or the thing you need to prosecute people civilly (or criminally). If I wanted to rightfully go after users of KF, or KF itself, how exactly do you intend to do that when all records are destroyed.
"The guberment will handle it" - they're not, and haven't for years. The only justice to be had here is if people themselves push for it. Alphabet orgs could care less, if not already members of it.
You're being both intellectually dishonest, hyperbolic, and strawmanning at the same time. Content that is illigal is taken down as it is reported. Not all content is illigal, no one has claimed KF for things outside of organized harassment.
>By removing records of KF, we cannot prove the acts done on KF.
You're ignoring (what was that about "intellectual dishonesty"?) the part where this is likely still archived by them, just not publicly accessible. You're also forgetting the countless screenshots and other documentation that exists of KF from prior controversial incidents.
> You're also forgetting the countless screenshots and other documentation that exists of KF from prior controversial incidents.
Screenshots are not a trustworthy medium. Many of the articles published about Kiwi Farms contain significant factual errors and rarely cite sources for the claims they do make.
For example, the CBC recently published an article claiming that the Christchurch shooter "revealed his intentions (on Kiwi Farms) hours before carrying out the attack".
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/kiwi-farms-online-forum-1.6565...
If you read articles from 2019 it was claimed that the gunman posted on 8chan shortly before the massacre. The claim that he posted on Kiwi Farms hours before is completely new and unsubstantiated.
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"likely still archived" isnt a convincing argument to compel discovery. Similarly, I'd like to see you convince a judge to allow random screenshots and documents into evidence without being able to prove their source. This isn't the wild west.