Comment by s-video

2 years ago

I'm an adult with ADHD but this doesn't appeal to me because I've already found behavioral techniques that work really well for ~free.

I'll try and describe one briefly: I use a free app called Virtual Motivaider[1] to make my phone vibrate every 2 to 6 minutes. I'll print a sheet[2] that has a table with two columns. Every row is the same: the first column has the text "Am I on Task?" and the second column has two check boxes, "[ ] Yes [ ] No". When I start a task that I typically struggle to hold my attention to, I start the app, and when I feel the vibration, I check off if I was on task or not. I picked the 2 to 6 minutes interval arbitrarily; there could be many other intervals that work just as well. There's also probably other apps out there that just vibrate at a user-set interval.

This has worked extremely well for me. It seems that just recording a behavior can increase it or decrease it in the direction that you want.

I learned about this from a textbook called "Applied Behavior Analysis" by Cooper et al, in a chapter titled "Self-Management". If my technique (technically known as "self-monitoring of attention" or "self-monitoring of on task behavior") sounds interesting, I would recommend finding a pdf of that book and reading that chapter. It has some vocabulary that's defined earlier in the book, so you can just look them up in the index or glossary as you read. The book and the field it hails from can be annoyingly dogmatic, though.

I'll stop talking about it for now, but I do like to share this whenever adult ADHD comes up because its helped me dramatically, and much more so than any professionally-run special education program I was in or popular psychology book about habits or getting things done. OP, I haven't looked at your app or page too deeply so maybe you're already doing something like this or other behavioral techniques, but if you're not, it might be worth checking out.

[1] The company that made Virtual Motivaider also sells (well, they stopped producing them because of COVID difficulties, but they're currently trying to get them back) a physical product called Motivaider. It looks like a digital kitchen timer but it just does the same thing as the app. I bought one after using the app for some time, and while the app worked very well, the physical product has some nice benefits, like a very distinct and quiet vibration, and a lot less friction to start a new session.

[2] Printing out new sheets for each task, or printing out a lot and then having to get one for each task, turned out to be pretty inconvenient, so I've since compressed the table into a 2 row by 15 column one, where in the first column the first row has a "Y" and the second one has an "N". The rest of the columns are for putting an x in the Y or N row. I fit 6 of these in a 6 x 9 inch document, made a pdf of 100 of these pages, then used a print on demand service to print a spiral bound book of it, which I carry with me between work and home. This has eliminated a ton of friction and I've ended up using this technique much more often.

You do get that "finding the techniques that work for you" is like the whole value of the coach, right? You're standing at the end, and I'm assuming you've put in a lot of work to get where you are because the kinds of resources that would helped you weren't available.

There is such a gap of "people who have ADHD sharing the things that actually worked for them." One of the best strategies for me "task bracelets" I didn't get from my therapist but a random TikTok.

I don't really know if this service is the one to pull it off but I want something like it to exist.

  • You took the words out of my mouth! Many of our members (me included) have tried to adopt things others said worked for them, and it can get quite exhausting finding time after time that they don't work. There are 2 (of many things) that could be happening here: 1. The tool/tip wasn't the right one for you. 2. The tool/tip wasn't implemented in a way that maximized chance of success

    Those 2 items above are what our coaches try to help with.

    With 1., just picking up and trying something someone else is using can get exhausting. Our coaches help you dissect what the problem is, what sort of systems work well for you (in the past), what don't, and why, and then help you pick from a narrowed list to choose. For example, accountability works really well for me (body doubling) but another one of our members hates it because they are introverted and easily distracted by movements of others.

    With 2., sometimes we pick up the right tool/tip but we don't implement it properly. We try it hastily for one day and then give up. Our coaches use behavioral change psychology to break down the steps, implement it into your life in the way that sticks, then keep you accountable to actually giving it your best shot.

Wow, thank you for sharing these super specific systems you have put in place that work for you! With your permission, I'd love to share these tools and tips with our coaches, in case they haven't seen them before (they are new to me!) and may be relevant to their members.

I'm excited that you have found your exact mix, and our mission is exactly to help other folks just like us found their unique mix of tools & systems that work for their life. With their commitment to experimenting, the abundance of resources like the ones you've shared, and our coaches' guidance, we hope to get our members to their version of where you're at! Ideally with free stuff too!

The goal of coaching is most definitely not to be a crutch that you have to use forever. Ideally they can get to a point similar to yours with the aid of their coach! Oftentimes, the sifting through info, experimenting, and staying motivated part is the hard part (that we hope to be able to help with!)

  • >With your permission, I'd love to share these tools and tips with our coaches,

    Well, sure, it's not like I own them!

    I guess the first line of my post came off a bit jaded. After having people paid to deal with my ADHD not come up with anything truly effective in my whole education since high school, it was both relieving and disappointing to end up figuring out something myself. If your app helps people figure out what works for them, then best of luck to you.

This sounds super useful, I'll give it a try. I definitely agree with reducing friction helping extensively, I only get so many attention points during the day.